the dumbing down of america is complete

martin said:
You would do well not to expand on an unintelligent argument. There would only be a conviction of unlawful possession of a machine gun if the gun were evidence in the case. If the conversion pieces alone were the evidence there could be a conviction for unlawful possession of them if there were a statute that made their possession unlawful.
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my argument is extremely intelligent. It's probably why you can't follow it.

lets try this one.......see if you can accept the legitimacy of the argument and if you find it preposterous for the government to prohibit owning a piece of metal simply because of how they define it.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/22-1165/22-1165-2023-01-27.html

Auto sears can be installed into semi-automatic guns to make them fully automatic. The National Firearms Act defines a machine gun as any gun that can shoot more than one shot “by a single function of the trigger,” 26 U.S.C. 5845(b). ATF decided in 1981 to define auto sears as machine guns, even if not installed or owned in conjunction with a compatible rifle.
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the ATF 'decided' to define a piece of metal as a machine gun. As it applies to the case in the OP, a government witness would have had to testify to that definition as law.......now, maybe that's too difficult for you brain dead liberals to understand.............
 
SmarterthanYou said:
my argument is extremely intelligent. It's probably why you can't follow it.

lets try this one.......see if you can accept the legitimacy of the argument and if you find it preposterous for the government to prohibit owning a piece of metal simply because of how they define it.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/22-1165/22-1165-2023-01-27.html



the ATF 'decided' to define a piece of metal as a machine gun. As it applies to the case in the OP, a government witness would have had to testify to that definition as law.......now, maybe that's too difficult for you brain dead liberals to understand.............
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You should avoid trying to read statutes. This one, for the purpose of the statute, defines “a piece of metal”, multiple pieces actually, as a machine gun.
 
martin said:
You should avoid trying to read statutes. This one, for the purpose of the statute, defines “a piece of metal”, multiple pieces actually, as a machine gun.
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and that's what my OP was about, if you were paying attention at all, that the dumbing down of america is complete because the government managed to sway 12 citizens that a piece of metal is a machine gun..............

what was difficult for you to follow?
 
As I said, you should avoid trying to read statutes. Generic definitions and statutory definitions can be different things. The jury would have been told that solely for the purpose of the statute an "auto sears" meets the definition of a machine gun. Given the evidence, the jurors had no other choice than conviction. Your complaint is not with American dumbness, as your argument framed it, but with the wording of a statute. The dumbness in this thread belongs to you.
 
martin said:
As I said, you should avoid trying to read statutes. Generic definitions and statutory definitions can be different things. The jury would have been told that solely for the purpose of the statute an "auto sears" meets the definition of a machine gun. Given the evidence, the jurors had no other choice than conviction. Your complaint is not with American dumbness, as your argument framed it, but with the wording of a statute. The dumbness in this thread belongs to you.
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you are a prime example of that dumbness of americans. if you NEED the government to tell you what things are, you're a fucking dumbass of epic proportions

and, NO, the jury has another choice, which is jury nullification.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you are a prime example of that dumbness of americans. if you NEED the government to tell you what things are, you're a fucking dumbass of epic proportions

and, NO, the jury has another choice, which is jury nullification.
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Jury nullification happens when a jury refuses to convict despite finding a defendant engaged in the alleged conduct. In this case you're making the infantile argument that the jury should have refused to convict because they
disapproved of how a statute is worded even though they understood what the statute meant and would have convicted if different words amounting to the same thing had been used, that is if the statute said possession of an "auto sears" is unlawful.
 
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martin said:
Jury nullification happens when a jury refuses to convict despite finding a defendant engaged in the alleged conduct. In this case you're making the infantile argument that the jury should have refused to convict because they
disapproved of how a statute is worded even though they understood what the statute meant and would have convicted if different words amounting to the same thing had been used, that is if the statute said possession of an "auto sears" is unlawful.
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anyone who accepts the governments definition of a piece of metal, or pieces of metal, is a machinegun is too stupid to be allowed in society.
 
I WANT MY GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT TO TAKE AN AR-15 WITH ME TO SPORTING EVENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M HAMMERED.

Fuck off, dude.
 
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