The Distorting of History: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common

Darth Hussein Omar said:
What helps Muslim recruiting is having Islam presented as a means of domination. Western values and democratic principles is an ISIS recruiting tool: in other words, our mere existence and the fact we allow women to dress or act how they will and etc etc etc is an ISIS recruiting tool.

Regardless of what ISIS may say in the their propaganda, they don't want any part of Trump---if his actions as president were to match his rhetoric.
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More excerpts from the article I started a thread about. Note the expert's opinion that Trump-like rhetoric is part of the problem.

"One of the explosive dangers of calls to ban or bomb Muslims is that it “feeds into the ISIS narrative that this is part of a clash of civilizations between Islam and the West,” said Mr. Kenney. “So they love it. ISIS is trying to goad us to send in large numbers of soldiers because this plays into their vision of prophecy,” including an apocalyptic battle between Muslims and their enemies.

Islamic signatures such as the hijab, or women’s head scarf, saw a resurgence in cultures that had once abandoned them as backward, wrote Harvard Divinity School professor Leila Ahmed in “A Quiet Revolution: The Veil’s Resurgence from the Middle East to America.” The 1979 Iranian revolution, led by Shia clerics, and the subsequent American hostage crisis marked one type of traumatic defiance of a superpower. The Sunni-led jihad against the Soviet occupiers of Afghanistan proved to be another, and to be the seedbed for al-Qaida.

And the terrorism is not emerging in a vacuum.

For all of Washington’s disavowals of the idea that the West is at war with Islam, a prime recruiting tool for terrorists has been the long U.S.-led war on terror. The group Physicians for Social Responsibility reported that since 2001, such warfare has resulted in 1 million deaths in Iraq and another 300,000 in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

“It is experienced as a war of terror by many thousands of Muslims,” said Hasan Azad, an Islamic studies expert working toward a doctorate in religious studies at Columbia University. “When Afghan carpet dealers today are incorporating motifs of drones into their rugs, there is something terribly amiss.”

Nevertheless, he said at a recent conference of the Religion Newswriters Association, there is nothing Muslim about the extremists’ response. Islamic State is the “blood-soaked face of a fallen Islam with no historical or intellectual substance, an Islam that bears no resemblance to the Islam it is trying to replace.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...meone-become-a-terrorist/stories/201512200045
 
christiefan915 said:
More excerpts from the article I started a thread about. Note the expert's opinion that Trump-like rhetoric is part of the problem.

"One of the explosive dangers of calls to ban or bomb Muslims is that it “feeds into the ISIS narrative that this is part of a clash of civilizations between Islam and the West,” said Mr. Kenney. “So they love it. ISIS is trying to goad us to send in large numbers of soldiers because this plays into their vision of prophecy,” including an apocalyptic battle between Muslims and their enemies.

Islamic signatures such as the hijab, or women’s head scarf, saw a resurgence in cultures that had once abandoned them as backward, wrote Harvard Divinity School professor Leila Ahmed in “A Quiet Revolution: The Veil’s Resurgence from the Middle East to America.” The 1979 Iranian revolution, led by Shia clerics, and the subsequent American hostage crisis marked one type of traumatic defiance of a superpower. The Sunni-led jihad against the Soviet occupiers of Afghanistan proved to be another, and to be the seedbed for al-Qaida.

And the terrorism is not emerging in a vacuum.

For all of Washington’s disavowals of the idea that the West is at war with Islam, a prime recruiting tool for terrorists has been the long U.S.-led war on terror. The group Physicians for Social Responsibility reported that since 2001, such warfare has resulted in 1 million deaths in Iraq and another 300,000 in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

“It is experienced as a war of terror by many thousands of Muslims,” said Hasan Azad, an Islamic studies expert working toward a doctorate in religious studies at Columbia University. “When Afghan carpet dealers today are incorporating motifs of drones into their rugs, there is something terribly amiss.”

Nevertheless, he said at a recent conference of the Religion Newswriters Association, there is nothing Muslim about the extremists’ response. Islamic State is the “blood-soaked face of a fallen Islam with no historical or intellectual substance, an Islam that bears no resemblance to the Islam it is trying to replace.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...meone-become-a-terrorist/stories/201512200045
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The last part simply isn't true. Islam conquered much of North Africa and the Middle East within a generation of Mohammed's death. Historically, Islam has been a religion of conquest from its inception.

Their biggest recruiting tool isn't Donald Trump, that's absurd on its face: the biggest recruiting tool for radical Muslims are the Islamic texts and the model of Mohammed himself: the former guarantees Paradise for death in jihad; and the latter is a model for a religious warrior.

But if you want to make a partisan game out of it, ISIS is pulling for Hillary because everyone knows nothing will change, regardless of what she's says.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for the status quo, and ISIS is on a roll.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
The last part simply isn't true. Islam conquered much of North Africa and the Middle East within a generation of Mohammed's death. Historically, Islam has been a religion of conquest from its inception.

Their biggest recruiting tool isn't Donald Trump, that's absurd on its face: the biggest recruiting tool for radical Muslims are the Islamic texts and the model of Mohammed himself: the former guarantees Paradise for death in jihad; and the latter is a model for a religious warrior.

But if you want to make a partisan game out of it, ISIS is pulling for Hillary because everyone knows nothing will change, regardless of what she's says.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for the status quo, and ISIS is on a roll.
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I don't know why you think Western meddling in ME countries doesn't have a negative effect on the people. We'd never let that happen in the US. Look how many are angry about immigrants from Mexico and refugees from Syria and these are just ordinary people, not politicians trying to impose their politics and way of life on us.

You say on one hand that the biggest recruiting tool for ISIS is not Donald Trump, and then you follow that statement by saying ISIS is pulling for Hillary. Where's your proof?
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't know why you think Western meddling in ME countries doesn't have a negative effect on the people. We'd never let that happen in the US. Look how many are angry about immigrants from Mexico and refugees from Syria and these are just ordinary people, not politicians trying to impose their politics and way of life on us.

You say on one hand that the biggest recruiting tool for ISIS is not Donald Trump, and then you follow that statement by saying ISIS is pulling for Hillary. Where's your proof?
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I have as much proof as Hillary does lol. Both are speculative statements.

The 'they're pissed at us' theory for Islamic terrorism is more of the same. At best, our intervention has exacerbated a phenomena that would exist if we were strict isolationists. Historically, there's nothing new about 'radical' Islam or Islamic terrorism.

The only thing that's changed are the tactics.
 
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