The Democrats Were Not for Me

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I was programmed at birth to be a Democrat, a big-city liberal. My parents were Irish and Catholic. Pardon any redundancy. In my slice of the East Bronx, you went to high school, you did a few years in the military, and then you came home to look for a job with Con Ed or the city. Two of my uncles were on the job -- NY City cops. The guy across the street was a fireman. The neighborhood was mainly blue collar Irish, Italian, Jewish, and just a tad Puerto Rican.

The local political machine was run out of the Van Nest Society, a store front political club, or run out of the Step Inn, a bar on White Plains Road next to the fire station. The Step Inn was a microcosm of the neighborhood; the guy who owned building was Jewish, the guy who ran the saloon was Irish, and the lady who made the pizza in the back was Italian.

If you wanted a job with the borough or the city, or you needed something fixed on your street, you had to see someone at the Van Nest clubhouse or at the Step Inn. There were no other political organizations in our precinct. Little did I know at the time, but my Bronx neighborhood was a mirror-image of inner cities nationwide. I never heard anyone call himself a "conservative," and, just as surely, there were no Republican or Libertarian precinct captains in our area.

I'm sure the good sisters of Our Lady of Solace School must have mentioned that Abraham Lincoln was the founder of the Republican Party, but for years I thought that that party had been killed by the Bull Moose Party at the turn of the 20th century. Growing up, it would have never occurred to me, or anybody I knew, that political homogeneity was a bad thing. The Democratic Party was a rain-maker, an employment office, and a pothole-fixer. There were no obvious reasons to question the civic monoculture -- or not to be a true believer.

For me, the road to disaffection started with a novelist and ended with several liberal politicians. The light of skepticism was lit by George Orwell, fanned by the Kennedy brothers, and flared into full-blown apostasy with Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

By the time I got to high school, Orwell was already something of a cult figure. He appeared in the ubiquitous Survey of English Literature class, the textbook for which sold by the pound. Orwell was a popular assignment because most of what he wrote was mercifully short. Our instructor was a Jesuit who tended to emphasize allegory at the expense of Orwell's political message. The harsh critique of the Soviets in Animal Farm and 1984 may have hit a little too close to home for urban American Catholics who shared some communal instincts, if not methods, with Communists.

Orwell had served with Communists in the Spanish Civil War against Franco Fascists. He was a curb level expert on the contradictions between leftist ideology and policy. Communism did not prevail in Spain, but it did prevail in Europe after WWII. In 1945 Orwell took on our Soviet "ally" while the Western press was still calling Joseph Stalin "Uncle Joe."

The skepticism of literary figures like Orwell, and solitary politicians like Winston Churchill, would prove prophetic. Eventually, the Soviet experiment collapsed, but the influence of Marxism survived to infest the Cold War social democracies including the Americas. Orwell's message, for me, was not ideological; it was utilitarian -- how easily people might be misled, in a democracy, by promises that could never be kept. Orwell planted the seeds of doubt about utopian politics.

The second milestone on my road to apostasy appeared in March 1968, during the Tet Offensive, while I was in Vietnam. That month, Robert Kennedy announced that he would oppose Lyndon Johnson and run for president. A few days later, Johnson announced that he would not seek another full term. My reaction was apoplectic. If the commander in chief could resign in the middle of a war, what the hell was I doing in Vietnam? If I left my post, I could be shot -- or rot in Leavenworth. The Vietnam War, up to that point, had been a Democratic Party foreign policy marker.

Nonetheless, for me, the worm really turned with the Kennedys. John Kennedy had cast a long shadow over Democrat politics in the '60s. He was every Irish Catholic's pipe dream: handsome, witty, successful -- and president. At the time, the nation knew little of his high-risk indiscretions, facilitated by a sympathetic press. Jack's brothers, especially Ted, were anemic political refractions, but Bobby knew weak knees when he saw them. Johnson was ripe for the picking in 1968. To my mind, Johnson's cowardice and Robert Kennedy's opportunistic duplicity made Richard Nixon possible. Years later, Ross Perot would perform a similar service for Bill Clinton -- twice.

For many of us in Vietnam, the politics, riots, and mayhem back home in 1968 were beyond comprehension. Growing up in the Bronx, and then in a war zone, courage under fire and loyalty were still virtues. Little of those qualities was evident among liberals or Democrats at the end of that chaotic decade.

The straw that broke the back of my "progressive" urban predispositions was Daniel Patrick Moynihan (1927-2003). He was another mid-20th-century Irish Catholic icon. Raised above his father's hardscrabble saloon on the lower west side of Manhattan, he went on to become a scholar, U.S. senator, ambassador, and sub-cabinet officer. He ran afoul of the loony left when he dared to analyze the effectiveness of American social spending.

Moynihan's research suggested that the road to fiscal disaster might be paved with failed government -- and social programs that did more harm than good. Democrats threw him to the wolves of political correctness. He was ostracized as a racist.

Nevertheless, he may have been the last candid bipartisan spokesman for the Democratic Party and American left. Moynihan was prophetic about the hazards of good intentions and the flaws of social democracy, in the same way that Orwell had been prophetic about the dark side of Communism. The specter of sovereign default for Western social democracies today might well be the ghost of Pat Moynihan. Like old-school Communists, the left created a social Ponzi scheme in America, making promises they cannot possibly keep.

My disillusionment with Democrats in particular, and liberal thought in general, didn't make me a Republican, but it did make me realize that "progressive" America had somehow become regressive at its best and suicidal at its worst. The Democratic Party had been hijacked by a very weird coalition of domestic entitlement shills and foreign policy appeasers.

When the American academy and the political left came to the defense of indefensible Islamism after the 9/11 attack in 2001, my metamorphosis was complete. To my mind, the American left, with the assistance of milquetoast Republicans, had become a threat to solvency at home and an enabler of our worst nightmares abroad. The rift was no longer a difference of opinion. For me, the left had lost political legitimacy -- no claims on domestic common sense or foreign policy prudence.

G. Murphy Donovan was schooled at Cardinal Hayes High School in the south Bronx, a few blocks from Yankee Stadium. After graduating from several less illustrious institutions, he served as a career Intelligence officer with the U.S. Air Force.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/the_democrats_were_not_for_me.html#ixzz1eGes3a8P
 
Why I Left the Republican Party: Maybe You Should Too

1. OK. The first clue I was going to leave is rather lame, but may be a crude metaphor; 2004--they sent RNC calls to my home repeatedly asking for money. I informed them that, at the time, I supported Bush in defeating Terrorism and that I had no money to give since I was out of work. Then they attempted to ask for slightly less, and I again explained that though I supported the President, I had children that needed every penny I had. This did not deterr them from asking again for another amount, $25 dollars. I told him to go to hell for not caring enough to "get it." I then received approx. 6 more calls until the election. How lame.

2. I, as an informed citizen, watched almost every Bush press briefing/press conference. They were kind of interchangeable; the words, the vagueness, the "I look forward to working with..." answers to questions on what are you doing about BLANK questions. Very obvious that they were losing any argument.

3. When people are caught in lies, or in making mistakes, it is usually helpful and honorable to A) admit it, B) try to explain how it happened, C) understand how people have probably lost faith in them and try to make it right, D) correct it. This memo evidently never got past the guard shack at 1600 Penn Ave. during 2001-08.

4. I don't care how patriotic you say you are, how much you salute, how many flags you have behind you, how many catchphrases such as "Victory" "resolve" "Prevail" "Freedom" "Peace" and of course "God Bless America"--those words have to actually mean something beyond rhetoric. In America there is a Constitution that a President and his administration is bound by. If not, then it's all just televangelist hogwash.

5. Katrina. The response, the indifference, the lack of leadership, the failure to recognize poor planning and poor oversight, implementation, etc. etc. etc.

6. People like El Rushbo, who keeps stupid racist propaganda in skits like "Barack the Magic Negro" alive and well. Who basically asks his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton in caucases/primaries so that Obama will be defeated. Though he himself clings to being a conservative rather than republican, the fact is that he has more influence over mindset and argument than anyone else. Go to a lodge meeting, a bar, a hockey game, or work--they repeat Rush. I didn't feel like it anymore.

7. Living in the past, rather than the future. That's a biggie.

8. Lack of ideas of how to solve real domestic problems.

9. Thinking that they can steal away women voters from the Democrats by simply putting Palin on the ticket, and thinking they can steal away African-American voters from the Democrats by giving Michael Steele a high profile position. This demonstrates their density.

10. Letting people like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney inform, influence, or decide the most important matters in our lives. See where it got us?

11. Using 9/11. Abusing 9/11. Somehow, realizing the size of the country's heartstrings, and taking advantage by inserting or connecting 9/11 or terrorism into every agenda they pushed forth. Shame on you for exploiting almost 3,000 deaths, not all American either.

12. Making the world not trust us.

13. Taking advantage of honest, caring, compassionate, and patriotic people like me who believed in something until the makeup melted off, the dress dropped, the other shoe dropped, and the canary sang. As The Who once said, "We wont get fooled again."

Yes, this was enough, wasn't it. I haven't even listed the details of the numerous devious anti-american blankety-blanks who did blankety-blank on such and such a date. I could go on and on, but then again--why bother.

Continued here: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/joe_wood/2009/05/why-i-left-the-republican-part.php
 
You left the democratic party? Why do you think beating your wife is acceptable?
 
People calling for money is annoying....I get calls from both Democrats and
Republicans....the only thing lame is Christie bitching about one side and
like a pinhead, not realizing that if she supported D's at the time, it would
that party annoying her.....

Press released and press conferences are scripted....get a clue....all you gotta to is
watch Obama...he is on TV 5 days week like a a God damn soap opera....he get more
air time that Oprah....and is even more obnoxious than Bush was....

And speaking of lies and liars.....Christie obviously wasn't paying attention to the
biggest liar that ever entered Washington, Mr. Slick Willy Clinton and his vast right wing conspiracy wife, Hillary....

And shows of Patriotism?....I love them....I'm a patriot....I've served....I fly the flag....
I stand proudly with hand on heart when the anthem is played....I love my country....and not ashamed to show it..............
so FU if you don't or won't show it in public....flag burners need to be beaten severely at every opportunity.....

So thats four lame excuses she presents.....

Katrina ?....
Bush hates black people ?....They're blowing up the levees ?
Chocolate city ?....I won't even get into the media spin, lies, and propaganda in that disgusting
attempt to castrate Bush for his inability to control the weather or Democrats in charge of NO...and how the first defenders, being Democrats, got a pass for doing nothing.

We won't get into the fact that the phrase, "The magical Negro" was a term previously popularized by Spike Lee in 2001, or that it being applied to Obama was first seen in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007. We'll just blast Rush Limbaugh for getting a few laughs about it.....lame, lame and childish....


And as Christie says...."why bother"....

The whole post is just so much Koolade saturated bullshit, its not worth the effort
to respond to it all.....Its like trying to convince Apple that to prevent a child going hungry is not a valid reason to abort the little bastard......
 
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Why I'll prob leave the democrats. Like a lot of people with 401k's losses have been tough.
Obama has attacked too many industries for the economy to fail.
1. Energy
2. Banks
3. Brokers
4. Cellphone company
5. Pipeline company

I'm sure their are more
 
I left the Democrat Party because they are liars. They lie about everything. Christie's post is a perfect example.
 
I hate to keep saying to the righties on this board "are you really that dumb?", but no other phrase seems to fit.

You do understand that for every article written in support of your positions, an opposite and equal argument is written by the other side. If you want to plaster the forum with all your anti-liberal, racist, bigoted, etc. editorials, don't cry "unfair" when the other side presents a differing opinion.
 
So you're singling out my rebuttal for your invective and ignoring the original post. How... expected. I guess that opposing argument really hit you guys where it hurts.

People calling for money is annoying....I get calls from both Democrats and
Republicans....the only thing lame is Christie bitching about one side and like a pinhead, not realizing that if she supported D's at the time, it would that party annoying her.....

I get calls and email from both parties also. Furthermore, I find all such calls annoying no matter who's making them.

Press released and press conferences are scripted....get a clue....all you gotta to is watch Obama...he is on TV 5 days week like a a God damn soap opera....he get more air time that Oprah....and is even more obnoxious than Bush was....

Nothing but nothing was more obnoxious than hearing bush's "I'm a war president", "spread freedom and democracy", "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here", "weapons of mass destruction", blah blah blah. Especially since we now know everything he based this crap on was a lie.

And speaking of lies and liars.....Christie obviously wasn't paying attention to the biggest liar that ever entered Washington, Mr. Slick Willy Clinton and his vast right wing conspiracy wife, Hillary....

Read up on Arkansas Project and Troopergate for examples of your vast, right-wing conspiracy. And funny, I recall Ken Starr turning Hillary upside-down and inside-out and finding NO evidence of the "lies" righties attributed to her, see Whitewater and Vince Foster conspiracy.

And shows of Patriotism?....I love them....I'm a patriot....I've served....I fly the flag....
I stand proudly with hand on heart when the anthem is played....I love my country....and not ashamed to show it..............
so FU if you don't or won't show it in public....flag burners need to be beaten severely at every opportunity.....

Perfect. A shining example of disregarding First Amendment rights when they conflict with your views.

So thats four lame excuses she presents.....

Katrina ?.... Bush hates black people ?.... They're blowing up the levees ? Chocolate city ?....I won't even get into the media spin, lies, and propaganda in that disgusting attempt to castrate Bush for his inability to control the weather or Democrats in charge of NO...and how the first defenders, being Democrats, got a pass for doing nothing.

bush screwed up hugely on Katrina, and only a die-hard apologist like you would refuse to admit it. There's no point in reiterating all the ways and bush himself admitted it.


We won't get into the fact that the phrase, "The magical Negro" was a term previously popularized by Spike Lee in 2001, or that it being applied to Obama was first seen in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007. We'll just blast Rush Limbaugh for getting a few laughs about it.....lame, lame and childish....

No, we won't get into the fact that righties played the race card every chance they got. And we won't get into the fact that "Chip Saltsman, a candidate for chairman of the Republican National Committee, sent out CDs containing the song to 168 other RNC members as a Christmas gift, hoping to bolster his 2009 campaign for RNC chair."


And as Christie says...."why bother"....

The whole post is just so much Koolade saturated bullshit, its not worth the effort
to respond to it all.....Its like trying to convince Apple that to prevent a child going hungry is not a valid reason to abort the little bastard......

Too bad. The "koolaid saturated bull shit" of the OP cried out for a response and I posted another viewpoint. So sue me.
 
So you're singling out my rebuttal for your invective and ignoring the original post. How... expected. I guess that opposing argument really hit you guys where it hurts.



I get calls and email from both parties also. Furthermore, I find all such calls annoying no matter who's making them.


Nothing but nothing was more obnoxious than hearing bush's "I'm a war president", "spread freedom and democracy", "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here", "weapons of mass destruction", blah blah blah. Especially since we now know everything he based this crap on was a lie.



Read up on Arkansas Project and Troopergate for examples of your vast, right-wing conspiracy. And funny, I recall Ken Starr turning Hillary upside-down and inside-out and finding NO evidence of the "lies" righties attributed to her, see Whitewater and Vince Foster conspiracy.



Perfect. A shining example of disregarding First Amendment rights when they conflict with your views.



bush screwed up hugely on Katrina, and only a die-hard apologist like you would refuse to admit it. There's no point in reiterating all the ways and bush himself admitted it.




No, we won't get into the fact that righties played the race card every chance they got. And we won't get into the fact that "Chip Saltsman, a candidate for chairman of the Republican National Committee, sent out CDs containing the song to 168 other RNC members as a Christmas gift, hoping to bolster his 2009 campaign for RNC chair."




Too bad. The "koolaid saturated bull shit" of the OP cried out for a response and I posted another viewpoint. So sue me.

I see you're still spreading the tired old partisan bullshit. Yawn.
 
I hate to keep saying to the righties on this board "are you really that dumb?", but no other phrase seems to fit.

You do understand that for every article written in support of your positions, an opposite and equal argument is written by the other side. If you want to plaster the forum with all your anti-liberal, racist, bigoted, etc. editorials, don't cry "unfair" when the other side presents a differing opinion.


We on the right welcome differing opinion.....its the lies that saturate every lefties post that we resent....
like above....racist....bigoted....

and we're not anti- liberal as much as anti-socialist and anti-communist and anti-redistribution of wealth..........
 
I left the Democrat Party because they are liars. They lie about everything. Christie's post is a perfect example.

I didn't leave the Democratic Party, because I was never a member to begin with. If there's one thing I absolutely loathe, its statements about how it used to be "worth a damn." All those people who voted for Kennedy, etc., are the reason why the modern GOP sucks. If someone could honestly have seen themselves as a Democrat, rather than an early Republican, a Whig, or a Federalist, then they should never have joined the modern GOP. They fucked it up.
 
I hate to keep saying to the righties on this board "are you really that dumb?", but no other phrase seems to fit.

You do understand that for every article written in support of your positions, an opposite and equal argument is written by the other side. If you want to plaster the with all your anti-liberal, racist, bigoted, etc. editorials, don't cry "unfair" when the other side presents a differing opinion.
I agree with the written part, disagree with the logic or equal part.
 
I didn't leave the Democratic Party, because I was never a member to begin with. If there's one thing I absolutely loathe, its statements about how it used to be "worth a damn." All those people who voted for Kennedy, etc., are the reason why the modern GOP sucks. If someone could honestly have seen themselves as a Democrat, rather than an early Republican, a Whig, or a Federalist, then they should never have joined the modern GOP. They fucked it up.

Good for you, and I agree that they never were worth a damn. But I grew up, politically brain washed, in the Massachusetts public school system. I never considered myself to be a liberal, but back then we were all little robots beholden to the Democrat Party. The Kennedy's were royalty.

I remember the 1968 election. My elementary school held a mock election, Nixon, the evil, sweating Republican vs. the so smart, so cerebral, forehead as big as a watermelon Hubert Humphrey. Out of my class, one kid out of 30 voted for Nixon. So the rest of the class made fun of her, and the teacher sat back and watched. That was the first time that I witnessed how evil Democrats are.

In high school we were taught how smart we all were compared to the rest of the unwashed States. I used to have political discussions with my friends on how to save the country. I remember one of my best friends wondering aloud, should we give people what they want, or what they should have?
 
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