The Declaration of Independence

Mott the Hoople said:
Believe it or not and given Britain’s actions on the frontier and given the truth of how Native Americans at that time waged war it was one of the more popular accusations against the British written in the Declaration by the general public at that time.

Those not well read on the history of the Indian wars on the frontier have no idea how savage they were.
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It was how it was, at that time.

Past wars have had numerous savage behavior.
 
Thing1 said:
Let's make no mistake about this: what our founders did in the 18th century was absolutely balls to the wall. I raise my glass to those guys today - they had families, they had things to protect. And they put it ALL on the line, against an empire.

That's why we're here today. That's why most of us have freedom that most couldn't have imagined a few hundred years ago.

I love our story, and our history. I would have loved to meet & talk to the men who made it happen.
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Thing1 said:
Let's make no mistake about this: what our founders did in the 18th century was absolutely balls to the wall. I raise my glass to those guys today - they had families, they had things to protect. And they put it ALL on the line, against an empire.

That's why we're here today. That's why most of us have freedom that most couldn't have imagined a few hundred years ago.

I love our story, and our history. I would have loved to meet & talk to the men who made it happen.
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Sometimes I can't help but like you.
 
Thing1 said:
Let's make no mistake about this: what our founders did in the 18th century was absolutely balls to the wall. I raise my glass to those guys today - they had families, they had things to protect. And they put it ALL on the line, against an empire.

That's why we're here today. That's why most of us have freedom that most couldn't have imagined a few hundred years ago.

I love our story, and our history. I would have loved to meet & talk to the men who made it happen.
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And now we have a political party that wants to throw it all away; toss it out to worship a god called Big FedCo.
 
Dark Soul said:
And now we have a political party that wants to throw it all away; toss it out to worship a god called Big FedCo.
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I love hearing this nonsense from conservatives like you who want to return this nation to a ruling Aristocracy. God damn those liberals for wanting to do something unAmerican like broadening freedom and equality.
 
A terrific document, no doubt.

It’s just that the ‘unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ was a lie when the ink from Tom Jefferson’s pen was still wet.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I love hearing this nonsense from conservatives like you who want to return this nation to a ruling Aristocracy. God damn those liberals for wanting to do something unAmerican like broadening freedom and equality.
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And yet, over and over again, you claim that the Left is the aristocratic college educated elite class, ... and the right are the peasantry, poor and uneducated rubes, ... men and women who work with their hands, ... oooh the horror, the shame. :palm:

If you want to "broaden" things, ... then give your money away to those you think need it. Meanwhile, capitalism will continue to "raise" things up, not blow them up.
 
domer76 said:
It’s just that the ‘unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ was a lie when the ink from Tom Jefferson’s pen was still wet.
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Yes, your ilk thinks they were all liars. :palm:
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I love hearing this nonsense from conservatives like you who want to return this nation to a ruling Aristocracy. God damn those liberals for wanting to do something unAmerican like broadening freedom and equality.
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I love hearing this nonsense from liberals like you who flat out lie about what conservatives want.
 
It was never a lie.
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http://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/04/the-declaration-of-independence-and-the

The Declaration did not abolish slavery, and its high-minded words were, at the time, undercut by the hypocrisy of Jefferson and all too many others. But the ideals the Declaration espoused played an important role in slavery's eventual abolition. As Abraham Lincoln famously put it, the Declaration established important aspirational principles, even if they could not be immediately realized:
I think the authors of that notable instrument intended to include all men, but they did not mean to declare all men equal in all respects…. They did not mean to assert the obvious untruth, that all were then actually enjoying that equality, or yet, that they were about to confer it immediately upon them…

They meant simply to declare the right, so that the enforcement of it might follow as fast as circumstances should permit.

They meant to set up a standard maxim for free society which should be familiar to all: constantly looked to, constantly labored for, and even, though never perfectly attained, constantly approximated, and thereby constantly spreading and deepening its influence and augmenting the happiness and value of life to all people, of all colors, every where.
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The universalist ideals of the Declaration also helped establish a nation that provided freedom and opportunity to immigrants and refugees from all over the world. Lincoln, who was a strong supporter of immigration, effectively conveyed this point, as well:
 
Bigdog said:
I don't know Alex Jones.

Ilk? ... well yes, it seems to trigger you, and cause you to call the FFs a bunch of liars.

:dunno:
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Doggie Style = Ilkboy lol

Tell us about all that "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" for Tom Jefferson's slaves and the other FF slave owners.

Or was ol' Tom merely using the phrase to justify revolt?

I'll wait, Ilkboy.
 
Timshel said:
It was never a lie.
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http://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/04/the-declaration-of-independence-and-the

The Declaration did not abolish slavery, and its high-minded words were, at the time, undercut by the hypocrisy of Jefferson and all too many others. But the ideals the Declaration espoused played an important role in slavery's eventual abolition. As Abraham Lincoln famously put it, the Declaration established important aspirational principles, even if they could not be immediately realized:


The universalist ideals of the Declaration also helped establish a nation that provided freedom and opportunity to immigrants and refugees from all over the world. Lincoln, who was a strong supporter of immigration, effectively conveyed this point, as well:
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Yeah, it sure was a lie at the time. It took another 90 years to abolish slavery and another 100 years after that to enact civil rights legislation.

Noble aspirations. In fact, not true when written. Still not. Thanks to progressives though, small steps at a time.
 
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