The Daily injustice report vol. 8

USFREEDOM911 said:
The only thng you've been able to destroy, is your own credability.
I used your own convoluted logic to show you how asinine it was and now all you've done is run from yourself.

Since your logic is so souind; why don't you show where using your own logic against you, is in error.

You have one last chance to refute your own logic, or else forever be branded as an idiot. :good4u:
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oh noes, whatever shall I do.

at least I haven't been an idiot up to now, whereas you...... :pke:
 
SmarterThanYou said:
at one point in this thread, i was saying there was no way to prove it, but now because USF is proud of being a copsucker, yes i'm saying that.
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

You left out the part where you alluded that you were correct, without the proof; but that was because in your convoluted logic, THEY'RE ALL in on it.

I see that you're still upset over your cocksucker title.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
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SmarterThanYou said:
here is my issue with it. for every one of these stories that actually make the light of day, how many don't because of the 'thin blue line'. How many officers 'cover' for their brothers in blue? On top of that, one of the stories that has been covered lately actually has the local station refusing to air the story so they don't lose money from the PD for a 'most wanted' section.

so yes, when I say majority, i'm talking over 51%. There are decent 'peace' officers out there, but do they shut their mouths over misconduct? Do they actively cover up their fellow officers misconduct? Even if they do, are they threatened with retaliation from their superiors or colleagues if they don't shut the hell up? Yes, even not disclosing misconduct makes you a part of it.

Can I conclusively show that a majority of officers are corrupt? of course not and nobody will ever be able to. It's a measure of the system. The 'state' has too much power and authority and can hide their dirty laundry, but saying that it obviously doesn't exist if you can't prove it is bullshit too.
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WTF????
 
SmarterThanYou said:
They deserve to be, but they are not.

that's a shame. but as long as innocent citizens and their animals are victimized by overzealous agencies and powermongers, I will continue to expose the JBTs for what they are as well as those that blindly worship them.
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What's "a shame"? I am sure that there are cases where cops are punished to the fullest extent of the law just as there are times where their position has wrongly protected them from receiving justice for their unlawful conduct. It is importabt for citizens to apply pressure and shine a light on corruption no matter corruption. Law enforcement officers should be held to a higher standard for their conduct, but they also need to be respected for the dangerous and often times thankless jobs they do. You sound like someone with an ax to grind, not someone seriously concerned for justice.
 
Ice Dancer said:
What's "a shame"? I am sure that there are cases where cops are punished to the fullest extent of the law just as there are times where their position has wrongly protected them from receiving justice for their unlawful conduct. It is importabt for citizens to apply pressure and shine a light on corruption no matter corruption. Law enforcement officers should be held to a higher standard for their conduct, but they also need to be respected for the dangerous and often times thankless jobs they do. You sound like someone with an ax to grind, not someone seriously concerned for justice.
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I'll repeat, for those not paying attention. I have had numerous run ins with law enforcement. none have been violent nor have they included any misconduct. Of course this was also 20 years ago. Times are different and my 'ax to grind' has everything to do with justice and protection of the innocent.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
I'll repeat, for those not paying attention. I have had numerous run ins with law enforcement. none have been violent nor have they included any misconduct. Of course this was also 20 years ago. Times are different and my 'ax to grind' has everything to do with justice and protection of the innocent.
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Times have changed? NY city police dept has improved with regards to internal corruption as has many metropolitan police forces...so yeah they have changed.

I am glad your personal experiences have been postitive, that is the common experience of most law abiding citizens.

So, back to an unanswered question: what's "a shame"? That's what you stated to me and I am curious as to what you meant?
 
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Ice Dancer said:
Times have changed? NY city police dept has improved with regards to internal corruption as has many metropolitan police forces...so yeah they have changed.
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NY city hasn't improved anything. they are still violating the civil rights of citizens by maintaining an internal database of all stop and frisks. stops with no basis in law. so not only are they violating the 5th amendment with a database, they are also violating the 4th by detaining people who haven't committed a crime.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
NY city hasn't improved anything. they are still violating the civil rights of citizens by maintaining an internal database of all stop and frisks. stops with no basis in law. so not only are they violating the 5th amendment with a database, they are also violating the 4th by detaining people who haven't committed a crime.
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We were talking about police corruption and brutality...and yes they have improved in that area. Now you have switched gears to discuss an internal policy of the NYPD, two distinctly different things...pick a square. I just googled your accusation and read both sides of the argument. I agree with the defendents who are suing the NYPD...but that's not corruption, it's a legal challenge that is being addressed via proper channels...sounds likely that the plaintiffs will win.

Again, could you answer the question about your statement: it's "a shame"? What's a shame?
 
Ice Dancer said:
We were talking about police corruption and brutality...and yes they have improved in that area. Now you have switched gears to discuss an internal policy of the NYPD, two distinctly different things...pick a square. I just googled your accusation and read both sides of the argument. I agree with the defendents who are suing the NYPD...but that's not corruption, it's a legal challenge that is being addressed via proper channels...sounds likely that the plaintiffs will win.
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semantics is all your argument is. As for brutality and corruption, cases are still pursued from time to time, but again it begs the question...

If only a few cases are actually brought to the spotlight, how many more are there because of the 'thin blue line'?

Ice Dancer said:
Again, could you answer the question about your statement: it's "a shame"? What's a shame?
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It's a shame that was once an honorable profession is turned in to an organized crime family because of intimidation by other police officers to keep the honest ones quiet.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
semantics is all your argument is. As for brutality and corruption, cases are still pursued from time to time, but again it begs the question...

If only a few cases are actually brought to the spotlight, how many more are there because of the 'thin blue line'?

It's a shame that was once an honorable profession is turned in to an organized crime family because of intimidation by other police officers to keep the honest ones quiet.
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It is NOT semantics! An internal policy of the NYPD is being legally challenged; this is not corruption! As to the stats for departments being better investigated for complaints, statistics show the numbers of internal investigations are up translating into a better job of addressing abuse and corruption!

As long as there have been cops there has been abuse and corruption dude...in fact it used to be much worse in large departments then it is now. That said, the MAJORITY of law enforcement officers are decent men and women doing a really tough job.
 
Ice Dancer said:
It is NOT semantics! An internal policy of the NYPD is being legally challenged; this is not corruption! As to the stats for departments being better investigated for complaints, statistics show the numbers of internal investigations are up translating into a better job of addressing abuse and corruption!
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cops are supposed to know the laws, right? then how is it that they created this 'policy' without realizing that it was against the law? answer is they didn't fucking care. They KNEW that they could get away with it until legally challenged, and IF ruled against, they'd be told not to do it anymore. THAT is corruption, intentionally perverting the law.

Ice Dancer said:
As long as there have been cops there has been abuse and corruption dude...in fact it used to be much worse in large departments then it is now. That said, the MAJORITY of law enforcement officers are decent men and women doing a really tough job.
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i'll keep proving you wrong with my daily injustice report.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
cops are supposed to know the laws, right? then how is it that they created this 'policy' without realizing that it was against the law? answer is they didn't fucking care. They KNEW that they could get away with it until legally challenged, and IF ruled against, they'd be told not to do it anymore. THAT is corruption, intentionally perverting the law.

i'll keep proving you wrong with my daily injustice report.
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Organizations push policy standards all the fucking time until someone says wait a minute! You don't KNOW what they thought. In reading their position it sounds like they didn't and still don't, believe they are doing anything wrong. The matter will get resolved in a court room...meanwhile the number of internal investigations are up across the country signaling a tougher crack down on corruption and abuse...that's good news.

There is nothing wrong with you pointing out abuse, as I said, people in positions of power need to be held to a higher statndard and should be publically excoriated when they abuse their power...you blow it when you accuse law enforcement abuses as being a problem with the majority of cops...I'd say more like 2% tops.
 
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