The Cold Math of Securing Schools

[Mina]

Maybe one of today's dumbest comments.

What you need to remember, though, is that your IQ is exceedingly low, so if something strikes you as being particularly dumb, it may be a sign that the person is making a good point.

This government should have its budget cut by at least 50% and it would go unnoticed by most US citizens.

Give it a shot. The budget is online. Identify which particular cuts you'd make, without most people noticing. Keep in mind, about 17% is Social Security and 10% Medicare. Presumably people would notice if you eliminated those, right? A huge portion of the elderly would be immediately impoverished, and even most of us who work for a living would have loved ones who are. Then there's the 11% we spend on the military. Although we could easily cut that by 2/3 and still be well-secured, people would notice -- including those who lost their jobs at defense contractors. Then there are debt payments, which are about 5%. Cut that out, and you're defaulting on the debt, which would immediately drive the nation into financial chaos. Or the 3% on veterans' benefits?

I think if you ever got serious and worked with the numbers, you'd see there's no way to cut 50% without it being catastrophically noticeable to the large majority of us.

.... you say spending money on protecting our kids in their schools is not a good investment?
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Yes. Run the numbers yourself, if you don't believe me. What do YOU think it will cost to patrol those 131K schools? Just multiply the cost per school by the number of schools. And how many lives do you think that would save? Just figure out what the average for school shooting deaths has been per year, and multiply by some percentage effectiveness. Now divide your first number by your second. That's the cost per life saved. What do you come up with? I look forward to seeing your number.

 

[Mina]

Turning schools into "prisons" and arming teachers. Republicans are so fucking stupid. Teachers and kids aren't soldiers. We need to get the ARs of the street.

Yes. Republicans aren't known for their intelligence.

 

[floridafan]

break a lock ? depends on the lock and the ammunition.
armed offices will be outdoors, and shooter is better served by having kids confined.

So we have a perp who goes through all the trouble to scout out a school, purchase weapons, ammunition and body armor, and then upon arrival finds a locked door. I guess he would just turn around and go home!
You are a flaming idiot.

 

[Mina]

is the only reasonable decision to take all guns?

No. There are all sorts of steps short of that.

 

[floridafan]

do you think that would be a good idea though?

No one has ever advcated the confiscation of any guns. That make you a liar and idiot.

 

[Rune]

You don't have children. If you did, you would care enough about them to want to spend that money on something that would save vastly more children's lives, rather than pissing it away on security theater at schools.



No. They regularly attack places that have guns. In fact, the US, which is as far from a "gun free zone" as any wealthy nation, is the epicenter of such attacks.

Wrong Wrong and wrongest.
1. I have two sons. Only one without children could have your take on this.
2. What makes you think that I approve of even a small percentage of GovCo spending? I don't. It is almost all waste.
3. So sorry little Miss but 89% of all mass shootings have occurred in gun free zones in the last 20 years.

You are either ignorant or dishonest, neither suits you.

 

[LurchAddams]

So we have a perp who goes through all the trouble to scout out a school, purchase weapons, ammunition and body armor, and then upon arrival finds a locked door. I guess he would just turn around and go home!
You are a flaming idiot.

Rednecks feel guilty. They know this is on them. Taking selfies with their big guns is more important to them that the lives of those babies.

There is a special place in hell for Abbott, Cruz, that Police Chief, the cops. Those poor kids.

 

[Rune]

What you need to remember, though, is that your IQ is exceedingly low, so if something strikes you as being particularly dumb, it may be a sign that the person is making a good point.



Give it a shot. The budget is online. Identify which particular cuts you'd make, without most people noticing. Keep in mind, about 17% is Social Security and 10% Medicare. Presumably people would notice if you eliminated those, right? A huge portion of the elderly would be immediately impoverished, and even most of us who work for a living would have loved ones who are. Then there's the 11% we spend on the military. Although we could easily cut that by 2/3 and still be well-secured, people would notice -- including those who lost their jobs at defense contractors. Then there are debt payments, which are about 5%. Cut that out, and you're defaulting on the debt, which would immediately drive the nation into financial chaos. Or the 3% on veterans' benefits?

I think if you ever got serious and worked with the numbers, you'd see there's no way to cut 50% without it being catastrophically noticeable to the large majority of us.



Yes. Run the numbers yourself, if you don't believe me. What do YOU think it will cost to patrol those 131K schools? Just multiply the cost per school by the number of schools. And how many lives do you think that would save? Just figure out what the average for school shooting deaths has been per year, and multiply by some percentage effectiveness. Now divide your first number by your second. That's the cost per life saved. What do you come up with? I look forward to seeing your number.

You are an idiot.
We spend 5 times what you quoted on military and most of that is wasted.

 

[Mina]

forced entry takes time and allows resource officers/cops to take appropriate action to confine the shooter.

See here:

https://resources.finalsite.net/ima...2/wsk12nyus/lzdk9x8rn1bonkcxbn34/IMG_4838.jpg

Approximately how long do you think it would take you to "force entry" there? Here you've got a woman who didn't even bother to bring a tool, she just kicked at the glass, and it delayed her exactly five seconds:

A strong dude could probably get it down to about two seconds. By the time you heard the glass shattering and were alerted to the attack, the guy would be through.

This is "security theater" -- an effort to make people think they're doing something, in order to take the momentum away from gun control, with no meaningful life savings and at large cost.

 

[Mina]

you shutting up about your dumb budget concerns on protecting children because you really just want grabbing guns to be seen as the only viable option.

You lost track of the thread. Try rereading. Good luck.

 

[Lionfish]

Isn't hindsight fantastic?

Not really. the NSSF has given away nearly 40 million free gun locks. The NRA has offered free gun safety programs to children for decades. Every firearms organization has called for our schools to be hardened and programs like OHIO's FASTER programs have trained and armed teachers in 12 states.
Don't pull the hindsight bullcrap, this is basic shit and it is programs like "defund the police" and BLM activists that prevented and stalled many of these programs from ever being put into action.
Just like "build the wall", "harden our schools". It's good for America.

 

[Celticguy]

Explain it, then.

already did...

 

[BidenPresident]

already did...

ok

 

[Mina]

So we have a perp who goes through all the trouble to scout out a school, purchase weapons, ammunition and body armor, and then upon arrival finds a locked door. I guess he would just turn around and go home!
You are a flaming idiot.

Yes, it's particularly silly when you look at how most schools are designed. They have big windows all around the front doors and throughout the first floor. People have their choice of entry points. You wouldn't even need to break a lock. You could spend five seconds kicking through a window.

https://resources.finalsite.net/ima...2/wsk12nyus/lzdk9x8rn1bonkcxbn34/IMG_4838.jpg

 

[Lionfish]

What you need to remember, though, is that your IQ is exceedingly low, so if something strikes you as being particularly dumb, it may be a sign that the person is making a good point.



Give it a shot. The budget is online. Identify which particular cuts you'd make, without most people noticing. Keep in mind, about 17% is Social Security and 10% Medicare. Presumably people would notice if you eliminated those, right? A huge portion of the elderly would be immediately impoverished, and even most of us who work for a living would have loved ones who are. Then there's the 11% we spend on the military. Although we could easily cut that by 2/3 and still be well-secured, people would notice -- including those who lost their jobs at defense contractors. Then there are debt payments, which are about 5%. Cut that out, and you're defaulting on the debt, which would immediately drive the nation into financial chaos. Or the 3% on veterans' benefits?

I think if you ever got serious and worked with the numbers, you'd see there's no way to cut 50% without it being catastrophically noticeable to the large majority of us.



Yes. Run the numbers yourself, if you don't believe me. What do YOU think it will cost to patrol those 131K schools? Just multiply the cost per school by the number of schools. And how many lives do you think that would save? Just figure out what the average for school shooting deaths has been per year, and multiply by some percentage effectiveness. Now divide your first number by your second. That's the cost per life saved. What do you come up with? I look forward to seeing your number.

YOU don't think America can afford to protect our children and I say it is a priority and you want a line by line budget cut formula from me? Blow out your woke ass.

 

[Mina]

Wrong Wrong and wrongest.
1. I have two sons.

Well, it's too bad you don't like them enough to want to spend money on things that would actually make them safer, rather than this security theater designed to prevent gun control.

2. What makes you think that I approve of even a small percentage of GovCo spending?

What makes you think I think you do?

3. So sorry [vastly superior human] but 89% of all mass shootings have occurred in gun free zones in the last 20 years.

Actually, exactly 0% of all mass shootings have occurred in gun-free zones, by definition. If a zone is free of guns, a shooting is impossible. Obviously.

 

[Celticguy]

So we have a perp who goes through all the trouble to scout out a school, purchase weapons, ammunition and body armor, and then upon arrival finds a locked door. I guess he would just turn around and go home!
You are a flaming idiot.

breaking in initiates defensive action.

a alarm sticker on your front door scares off most burglars even if there is no security system installed.

 

[Rune]

See here:

https://resources.finalsite.net/ima...2/wsk12nyus/lzdk9x8rn1bonkcxbn34/IMG_4838.jpg

Approximately how long do you think it would take you to "force entry" there? Here you've got a woman who didn't even bother to bring a tool, she just kicked at the glass, and it delayed her exactly five seconds:

A strong dude could probably get it down to about two seconds. By the time you heard the glass shattering and were alerted to the attack, the guy would be through.

This is "security theater" -- an effort to make people think they're doing something, in order to take the momentum away from gun control, with no meaningful life savings and at large cost.

That isn't a security door you laughable bimbo.
And no you can't break a window and reach in, security doors are made of steel with tiny wire reinforced windows and are keyed from both sides.

 

[Mina]

You are an idiot.
We spend 5 times what you quoted on military .

What makes you think that? I quoted 11%. So, five times that is 55%. Total federal outlays for FY 2021 were $6.822 trillion. So, 55% would be around $3.75 trillion. Do you believe we have a $3.75 trillion military budget? What evidence do you see for that? Be specific, please.

 

[Celticguy]

See here:

https://resources.finalsite.net/ima...2/wsk12nyus/lzdk9x8rn1bonkcxbn34/IMG_4838.jpg

Approximately how long do you think it would take you to "force entry" there? Here you've got a woman who didn't even bother to bring a tool, she just kicked at the glass, and it delayed her exactly five seconds:

A strong dude could probably get it down to about two seconds. By the time you heard the glass shattering and were alerted to the attack, the guy would be through.

This is "security theater" -- an effort to make people think they're doing something, in order to take the momentum away from gun control, with no meaningful life savings and at large cost.

depends on the door. school doors around here are stouter than you suspect.

actually you seem to have no personal knowledge of school security systems. the missus worked at an elementary and a high school and our daughter also went to those and a middle school so I have more than a little personal knowledge of this.