The Birth of Capitalism

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Everyone states that Capitalism began with the industrial revolution though that is not true. Where do its origins lie? Well the entire concept of capitalism is about(MIDDLE MEN). How did these middle men come to be? Well.......

Back in the day there were tribes. And the dominant Alpha Male would keep the peace in the clan. He would surround himself with the strongest to protect against invaders. And the tribes would honor the heroic elders and believe that his off spring would carry the same greatness(genes).

With the development of more sophisticated arms and construction? They would establish large Castles/Fortresses(for defensive purposes). When there territories need growth or resources, they would venture into another's territory leading to conflict(war). Either resulting in losing or gaining more territory. Eventually some of these tribal leaders became very powerful and had extensive land. These became Kings/Nations. Now to those of the original clan? They were given places of authority.The people of the conquered lands were usually oppressed so they wouldn't be able to rise up and free themselves of bondage(slavery to the King).

Therefore you have a King(making the bulk of the money sitting on his butt with his only qualification being his blood line). Then the king has to create positions for his family and friends. Thus he creates middle men(They were called nobles/merchants). They have to get payed too and don't expect the king to take from his own wealth. Therefore the cost of living goes up.

Secondly. You have a King in a Kingdom. He collects taxes to continue living his life of privilege and luxury. He has 5 Children. His land is divided. Taxes go up because now there are more royal mouths to feed. They have kids and they have kids and they have kids, all wanting to continue in the lives of luxury they have known. As they continue to divide the land, it gets more and more difficult to sustain their lives of luxury(especially for the ambitious). And in fighting begins. They then have to compete like criminals to maintain their kingdoms.

Today as long as you can make money for the top elites who are the monarchs of today(The top investment bankers of the world), you are given a slice of the pie, but not from their wealth. The cost is always passed down to the people.

Socialism eliminates the middle man, thus reducing cost, thus putting more money in your pocket to consume/buy more things. That in itself will create more jobs. They say the rich man helps the economy but what they really do is take food off our tables and put it on theirs for doing absolutely no work.

For the the temptation of sin to be defeated, we must take away its most effective tool to achieve sin. Great wealth.......That is why I do not support capitalism. Just look at the state of society. Greed, immorality, selfishness, violence are common. This is a sign of a corrupt rulership/society......
 
Furthermore many people state that the Bible is Capitalist in nature when it is clearly socialist. Who are the Christians that support capitalism in its current form? They are the goats.

Eliminating capitalism eliminates the biggest temptation. The lure of wealth. Many people have been led astray in pursuit of wealth.

1 Timothy 6:8-11
8 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

11 But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.


Matthew 6:24
" No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other You cannot serve God and wealth.



James 2:5
Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

Therefore who will inherit the Kingdom to come? And if they are poor? Who will they possess it from? Where will the rich be in this golden Kingdom? Answer? They will not exist.

A democratic socialist society that I dream of will keep everyone in check.

Socialism disciplines sin. Its like having a child and spoiling with material gifts. We all know the result. The kid will come out rotten. It keeps you in check by limiting wealth and thus creating true equality among the people. In other words it helps destroy the biggest stumbling block to man. Excessive wealth.

Though the socialism I dream of is something like this.

My Utopia consists of a one world currency that is not affected by debt nor inflation. Thus NO TAXES would need to be collected and endless funds would be available to treat the sick and feed the poor. Since socialist government controls are commerce and has an endless supply of money? No further money(taxes) is needed from the people. The capacity of the human race would be unlimited. poverty would end, many cures would result, space travel would be heavily advanced, just to name a few benefits.

Everyone on the planet would be better off, except the rich would no longer be making money off the sweat, blood and tears of others.

What are your thoughts?
 
They say socialism has never succeeded but the truth is that true socialism has not been practiced for Millenniums(Other then Amish, Mennonites, isolated tribes, ect...)

Capitalism is like having a night at the bar! You have a ton of fun but the next morning your broke with a hangover!

I have been studying capitalism for a number of years and it is only short term gain. There is a sudden burst of economic stimulus due to an increase in debt, though eventually after all the pigs have gorged themselves at the pig troughs, the time comes to pay the piper. As a result taxes and inflation increase and thus hard times result. At least for the ones that weren't gorging at the pig troughs(Eating tax payer money and national debt).

Even America is struggling even though it's currency has been subsidized by global governments via America having the default currency. They have been able to delay the inevitable. The economic collapse of America. If not for America having the default international currency, America's economy would have fell long ago.

We are all slaves to the creditors of the world who lend us money of no real value(fiat money) and charge us(the tax payer) trillions of dollars in interest PLUS we are also taxed via inflation. Capitalism creates slavery to debt(Creditors) thus incurs taxes.
 
My Utopia consists of a one world currency that is not affected by debt nor inflation. Thus NO TAXES would need to be collected and endless funds would be available to treat the sick and feed the poor. Since socialist government controls are commerce and has an endless supply of money? No further money(taxes) is needed from the people. The capacity of the human race would be unlimited. poverty would end, many cures would result, space travel would be heavily advanced, just to name a few benefits.

The above says it all. You believe in a free lunch. There is no free lunch.

Next!
 
Rune said:
My Utopia consists of a one world currency that is not affected by debt nor inflation. Thus NO TAXES would need to be collected and endless funds would be available to treat the sick and feed the poor. Since socialist government controls are commerce and has an endless supply of money? No further money(taxes) is needed from the people. The capacity of the human race would be unlimited. poverty would end, many cures would result, space travel would be heavily advanced, just to name a few benefits.

The above says it all. You believe in a free lunch. There is no free lunch.

Next!
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How is that a free lunch???? Today we have banks and creditors who create debt baked by nothing. Why should we pay trillions of dollars in interest to money of no real value? Now if you switch over to a one world currency? Inflation would be eliminated. Because it has no competitive currency to compete against. Therefore it would not mater. Also the amount of debt would not mater because it has no real value. Think about it. Not worried about where to get funds for things like medical research(for cures), Space exploration, Social security, ect....Sure people would still have to work and stuff but they wouldn't be slaves to creditors making money out of thin air.

Poverty would be eliminated.

Comprende?
 
wiseones2cents said:
How is that a free lunch???? Today we have banks and creditors who create debt baked by nothing. Why should we pay trillions of dollars in interest to money of no real value? Now if you switch over to a one world currency? Inflation would be eliminated. Because it has no competitive currency to compete against. Therefore it would not mater. Also the amount of debt would not mater because it has no real value. Think about it. Not worried about where to get funds for things like medical research(for cures), Space exploration, Social security, ect....Sure people would still have to work and stuff but they wouldn't be slaves to creditors making money out of thin air.

Poverty would be eliminated.

Comprende?
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Sorry pal, it is beyond my ability to explain insanity to an insane person.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Yes and if that skit were real those peasants would have been slaughtered for taking like that to the king.
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Yes and the king would have brought along a large number of armed men to demonstrate his position. It's a monty python skit, entertaining and satirical, not accurate historical reproduction
 
wiseones2cents said:
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Everyone states that Capitalism began with the industrial revolution though that is not true. Where do its origins lie? Well the entire concept of capitalism is about(MIDDLE MEN). How did these middle men come to be? Well.......

Back in the day there were tribes. And the dominant Alpha Male would keep the peace in the clan. He would surround himself with the strongest to protect against invaders. And the tribes would honor the heroic elders and believe that his off spring would carry the same greatness(genes).

With the development of more sophisticated arms and construction? They would establish large Castles/Fortresses(for defensive purposes). When there territories need growth or resources, they would venture into another's territory leading to conflict(war). Either resulting in losing or gaining more territory. Eventually some of these tribal leaders became very powerful and had extensive land. These became Kings/Nations. Now to those of the original clan? They were given places of authority.The people of the conquered lands were usually oppressed so they wouldn't be able to rise up and free themselves of bondage(slavery to the King).

Therefore you have a King(making the bulk of the money sitting on his butt with his only qualification being his blood line). Then the king has to create positions for his family and friends. Thus he creates middle men(They were called nobles/merchants). They have to get payed too and don't expect the king to take from his own wealth. Therefore the cost of living goes up.

Secondly. You have a King in a Kingdom. He collects taxes to continue living his life of privilege and luxury. He has 5 Children. His land is divided. Taxes go up because now there are more royal mouths to feed. They have kids and they have kids and they have kids, all wanting to continue in the lives of luxury they have known. As they continue to divide the land, it gets more and more difficult to sustain their lives of luxury(especially for the ambitious). And in fighting begins. They then have to compete like criminals to maintain their kingdoms.

Today as long as you can make money for the top elites who are the monarchs of today(The top investment bankers of the world), you are given a slice of the pie, but not from their wealth. The cost is always passed down to the people.

Socialism eliminates the middle man, thus reducing cost, thus putting more money in your pocket to consume/buy more things. That in itself will create more jobs. They say the rich man helps the economy but what they really do is take food off our tables and put it on theirs for doing absolutely no work.

For the the temptation of sin to be defeated, we must take away its most effective tool to achieve sin. Great wealth.......That is why I do not support capitalism. Just look at the state of society. Greed, immorality, selfishness, violence are common. This is a sign of a corrupt rulership/society......
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a lovely but impractical dream, human nature being what it is

also, with humans living longer and consuming more and more of the worlds resources, worldwide starvation would be the ultimate result

while space travel and exploration is a good thing, consider the current growth rate of the world population and the cost of transporting even a fraction of that increase (assuming you could get enough people to volunteer to undergo the hardships of trying to wrest a living from non-earth like environments)

the human population growth rate follows an exponential curve while food production follows a linear function

the above facts demonstrate that human and non-human starvation are already here and will continue

read some of thomas malthus' writings

[h=2]Thomas Malthus - About Thomas Malthus on Population[/h]
 
Don Quixote said:
a lovely but impractical dream, human nature being what it is

also, with humans living longer and consuming more and more of the worlds resources, worldwide starvation would be the ultimate result

while space travel and exploration is a good thing, consider the current growth rate of the world population and the cost of transporting even a fraction of that increase (assuming you could get enough people to volunteer to undergo the hardships of trying to wrest a living from non-earth like environments)

the human population growth rate follows an exponential curve while food production follows a linear function

the above facts demonstrate that human and non-human starvation are already here and will continue

read some of thomas malthus' writings

[h=2]Thomas Malthus - About Thomas Malthus on Population[/h]
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There is a solution to every problem.

I understand human nature and I know disciplining it has lead to civilization.

Eventually we will head towards the stars and find new planets to inhabit. In the meantime? Rather then the elites using wars for population control? We can either restrict population growth by restricting how many children a person can have. Like 2. Too many kids and not enough resources equals misery for many.

The Asians already represent more then 1/2 the world's population. And the East Indians represent 1/3 of the remaining population. Now that they are coming out west in droves and reproducing? They will dominate the world's demographics in a few decades....The Chinese have already passed the French in Canada and are now the second most common language spoken in Canada and my street is becoming dominantly Asian.....

As far as resources. We would have TRUE supply and demand. Not like today where supply is restricted to increase demand. I did a little study on the Boston Tea party and from what I understand? The capitalist middlemen were driving the prices up on tea which resulted in a huge Tea surplus. The British tried to remove the middlemen and sell directly to the public(socialist style) at a cheaper cost, thus justifying the tax imposed on tea. The Capitalist Middlemen got angry because they were squeezed out and rebelled. And used taxes as an excuse.

Transportation methods as we speak are reaching new heights.

As far as your food worries? We have enough land to feed the entire planet. Some are even saying by the year 2050, everyone will be a vegetarian because we wont be able to sustain the meat, which is B.S.

All I know is that the world is fooled by the perception imposed upon them by the elites that rule the world using many methods. Education, Media, ect....

I am here to destroy mis-perceptions like the rich pay more taxes. And that we need the rich to employ us.

Trust me when I tell you I have analyzed the economic climate of the earth for years and have all me T's crossed and I's dotted. My plan would work and bring in a golden age never experienced by the human race.
 
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wanderingbear said:
Its all a big stupid game of monopoly plaayed with the lives who cand least afford it.
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More like Chess and the poor are the pawns/soldiers/workers that they send to war/slave pits to be slaughtered/worked to the bone for their gain.


Disposable Heroes

Album: Master of puppets

Lyrics:
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Bodies fill the fields I see, Hungry heroes end
no one to play solider now, no one to pretend
running blind through killing fields, bred to kill them all
victim of what said should be
a servant 'til fall

Solider boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
bred to kill, not to care
do just as we say
finished here, greetings death
he's yours to take away

Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman

Barking at machine gun fire, does nothing to me now
sounding of the clocks that ticks, get used to it somehow
more a man, more stripes you bare, glory seeker trends
bodies fill the fields I see
the slaughter never ends

Solider boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
bred to kill, not to care
do just as we say
finished here, greetings death
he's yours to take away

Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman

why, am I dying?
kill, have no fear
lie, live for lying
hell, hell is here

I was born for dying

Life planned out before my birth, nothing could I say
had no chance to see myself, molded day by day
looking back I realize, nothing have I done
left to die with only friend
alone I clench My gun

Solider boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
bred to kill, not to care
do just as we say
finished here, greetings death
he's yours to take away

Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman

Back to the front
 
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