The Bidens: When Can We Start Calling It What It Is, Namely Bribery?

The burden of proof is on you stupid fucks.
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well, I've seen testimony of the guy who said he gave Biden....that's JOE Biden, $5M.......I've seen testimony that there may be as much as $50M that was paid from various foreign sources to Biden family members.....I've seen emails from Hunter complaining about having to use that money to pay Joe' bills.......all we need to do now is review the bank records to see if the money transfers confirm those facts......what do you think we should do, if that confirmation is there?.....
 
Stop spouting bollocks, I do not think Trump won in 2020. So shut the fuck up, shit for brains. Oh and by the way I'm not a lawyer but the author of that piece namely Francis Menton is and very successful one at that.

Francis J. Menton, Jr. is a partner in the Litigation Department and Co-Chair of the Business Litigation Practice Group of Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP in New York. Mr. Menton specializes in complex and technical commercial litigation, principally contract and securities claims. He has a nationwide trial practice, and has tried cases in state and federal courts including Colorado, Kansas, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Puerto Rico, Texas, Virginia, and Washington.

Mr. Menton is the author of "New Opportunities for Defendants in Securities Class Actions," Engage (Fall 2007), "Can You Protect Yourself Against Identity Theft?" New York Law Journal (April 29, 2002), and "Top Ten Federal Government Efforts to Suppress Free Speech," Federalist Society Free Speech and Election Law News (Summer 2000, 1999, 1998). He also authored "Evaluating Claims Under The Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995," New York Law Journal (January 6, 1996).

https://fedsoc.org/contributors/francis-menton

That's great. Take that evidence and see what happens. I hope the Republiclowns use it and go with it. If Biden is found guilty, impeach and convict his ass and remove him from office. I have no problem with that.
Now, are you willing you say the same thing about Trump if he is found guilty? Are you willing you accept the verdict without saying the DOJ is corrupt? Are you willing to see Trump in jail rather than The White House?
 
The burden of proof is on you stupid fucks.

Know what you have so far? NADA. ZIP. ZILCH.

Your strongest case is wishful thinking.

How did that impeachment hearing go today? Total laughable fucking disaster for you.

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well, I've seen testimony of the guy who said he gave Biden....that's JOE Biden, $5M.......I've seen testimony that there may be as much as $50M that was paid from various foreign sources to Biden family members.....I've seen emails from Hunter complaining about having to use that money to pay Joe' bills.......all we need to do now is review the bank records to see if the money transfers confirm those facts......what do you think we should do, if that confirmation is there?.....

Yep. When the definitive banks records come through, you can say you have something. Until then, what you have is wishful thinking, more “may be” bullshit, and a handful of jizz masturbating to Hunter.
 
Francis Menton cuts through the crap yet again, God love him.

The Biden family corruption scandal gets deeper with every passing day. Speaker Kevin McCarthy finally opened an impeachment investigation in the House last week, and now the first hearing in that investigation has been scheduled for September 28 before the House Oversight Committee.

So what is the potential impeachable offense? You will undoubtedly recall, in the context of the two Trump impeachments, the endless semantic contortions that took place trying to shoehorn Trump’s conduct into the vague constitutional catchall of “high crimes and misdemeanors” that might support an impeachment.

Now, with Biden, the conduct at issue goes by various euphemisms like “the family business,” “business dealings with foreign nationals,” “influence peddling,” “selling access,” or maybe just “corruption.” Are these impeachable offenses?

Well, how about “bribery”? In Biden’s case, there is no need for creative legal argumentation. Biden’s crime is right there in the list set out in Constitution Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

And yet for some reason participants in the public discussion of the Bidens’ conduct seem remarkably reluctant to call a spade a spade. The reluctance spans both sides of the political divide, and even extends to the websites of the House of Representatives that discuss the ongoing investigations. Here are a few recent examples (out of hundreds):

From NBC News, May 10: “The Republican chairman of the House Oversight Committee mounted more attacks Wednesday against President Joe Biden and his family, alleging that relatives of the president engaged in business with foreign nationals. . . .”

From ABC News, September 14: “[O]n Capitol Hill, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy this week said he would initiate an impeachment inquiry against President Biden over his alleged role in his son's influence-peddling. . . .”

From the New York Post, August 14: “The evidence that President Joe Biden benefited directly from son Hunter’s influence-peddling operation just keeps mounting.”

From PBS, today: “Republicans — led by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy — have contended in recent weeks that Biden’s actions from his time as vice president show a “culture of corruption,” and that his son used the “Biden brand” to advance his business with foreign clients.”

Or even from the House Oversight Committee itself, September 13: “There is mounting evidence that Joe Biden was involved in his family’s influence peddling schemes, including while he served as Vice President.”

“Bribery” is not a complicated crime to understand. It has its own section of the U.S. criminal statutes, 18 U.S.C. Section 201. In case there were any doubt what this is about, the title of the section is “Bribery of public officials and witnesses.” Here are the parts of that section relevant to Biden’s conduct:

(b) Whoever—(2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly . . . seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:

(A) being influenced in the performance of any official act; . . .

shall be fined under this title or not more than three times the monetary equivalent of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

Read through that, and you find that the crime of bribery of a public official only has three elements: (1) “corruptly seek[ing], receiv[ing] [or] accept[ing] anything of value”; (2) “in return for”; and (3) “being influenced in the performance of any official act.”

Of the various instances of corruption involving Joe Biden, the facts relating to Hunter Biden’s service on the Burisma board of directors most closely track the specific elements of the bribery statute. As to seeking, receiving or accepting anything of value, Hunter was paid at least $3 million over several years for board service that involved minimal work and no visible contribution to the enterprise other than access to his father. The board service began in 2014, when Joe was Vice President, and immediately after Joe was named “point man” for U.S. foreign policy in Ukraine. After a corruption investigation into Burisma in Ukraine began in 2015, Burisma’s number one corporate objective became ending that investigation. On November 2, 2015 Burisma executive Vadym Pozharsky stated to Hunter Biden in an email that Burisma’s “ultimate purpose” was to “close down” “any cases/pursuits against Nikolay [i.e., Burisma chairman Mykola Zlochevsky] in Ukraine.” Then, according to the Congressional testimony of Hunter Biden’s partner and Burisma co-board member Devon Archer, after a Burisma board meeting in Dubai on December 4, 2015, Zlochevsky and Pozharsky stepped out with Hunter to “call Washington.” A few days later Vice President Joe Biden traveled to Kyiv, and, as he himself has admitted on a widely-viewed videotape, threatened to withhold a billion dollars of U.S. aid to the country unless the prosecutor investigating Burisma was fired. And the prosecutor was fired.

In other words, the prima facie case of all of the elements of bribery is right there. It is what they call a lay down. Sure Biden has a couple of things he claims as defenses — mainly, that all the money went to his son, and that firing the prosecutor was official U.S. policy coming from people other than him. At this point those defenses look very weak, although maybe Biden can make something out of them.

But the fundamental point is that this is not situation of murky facts that somehow need to be contorted and shoe-horned into some obscure statute in order to make out a possible impeachable offense. This is a case where the prima facie case of a crime, and of a constitutionally enumerated impeachable offense, is right there in front of our eyes. And the crime in question is the main bribery statute.

It’s high time that everybody stopped calling Biden’s alleged wrongdoing by euphemisms like “influence peddling” or “foreign business dealings” — neither of which are terms specifically referencing an impeachable offense, let alone a crime. We should all start using the correct and obviously applicable constitutional and statutory term, which is “bribery.”

https://www.manhattancontrarian.com...we-start-calling-it-what-it-is-namely-bribery

Republicans struggled to put forward any evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden during a hearing on Thursday that’s part of a newly launched impeachment inquiry.

The hearing did not go well for Republicans, who control the US House and allege Biden was connected to his son’s business dealings that could have resulted in bribery and corruption. They have been investigating the matter for months and have yet to produce evidence linking the president to his son’s financial affairs.

The three Republican witnesses who testified on Thursday all conceded they did not have firsthand knowledge of any criminal activity by Biden.

Republicans were reportedly caught off-guard by Turley’s conclusion and an unnamed Republican aide told CNN the hearing was an “unmitigated disaster” for the Republicans.

Doesn't sound to me like the republicans have anything, you obviously have some propaganda.
 
Francis Menton cuts through the crap yet again, God love him.

The Biden family corruption scandal gets deeper with every passing day. Speaker Kevin McCarthy finally opened an impeachment investigation in the House last week, and now the first hearing in that investigation has been scheduled for September 28 before the House Oversight Committee.

So what is the potential impeachable offense? You will undoubtedly recall, in the context of the two Trump impeachments, the endless semantic contortions that took place trying to shoehorn Trump’s conduct into the vague constitutional catchall of “high crimes and misdemeanors” that might support an impeachment.

Now, with Biden, the conduct at issue goes by various euphemisms like “the family business,” “business dealings with foreign nationals,” “influence peddling,” “selling access,” or maybe just “corruption.” Are these impeachable offenses?

Well, how about “bribery”? In Biden’s case, there is no need for creative legal argumentation. Biden’s crime is right there in the list set out in Constitution Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

And yet for some reason participants in the public discussion of the Bidens’ conduct seem remarkably reluctant to call a spade a spade. The reluctance spans both sides of the political divide, and even extends to the websites of the House of Representatives that discuss the ongoing investigations. Here are a few recent examples (out of hundreds):

From NBC News, May 10: “The Republican chairman of the House Oversight Committee mounted more attacks Wednesday against President Joe Biden and his family, alleging that relatives of the president engaged in business with foreign nationals. . . .”

From ABC News, September 14: “[O]n Capitol Hill, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy this week said he would initiate an impeachment inquiry against President Biden over his alleged role in his son's influence-peddling. . . .”

From the New York Post, August 14: “The evidence that President Joe Biden benefited directly from son Hunter’s influence-peddling operation just keeps mounting.”

From PBS, today: “Republicans — led by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy — have contended in recent weeks that Biden’s actions from his time as vice president show a “culture of corruption,” and that his son used the “Biden brand” to advance his business with foreign clients.”

Or even from the House Oversight Committee itself, September 13: “There is mounting evidence that Joe Biden was involved in his family’s influence peddling schemes, including while he served as Vice President.”

“Bribery” is not a complicated crime to understand. It has its own section of the U.S. criminal statutes, 18 U.S.C. Section 201. In case there were any doubt what this is about, the title of the section is “Bribery of public officials and witnesses.” Here are the parts of that section relevant to Biden’s conduct:

(b) Whoever—(2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly . . . seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:

(A) being influenced in the performance of any official act; . . .

shall be fined under this title or not more than three times the monetary equivalent of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

Read through that, and you find that the crime of bribery of a public official only has three elements: (1) “corruptly seek[ing], receiv[ing] [or] accept[ing] anything of value”; (2) “in return for”; and (3) “being influenced in the performance of any official act.”

Of the various instances of corruption involving Joe Biden, the facts relating to Hunter Biden’s service on the Burisma board of directors most closely track the specific elements of the bribery statute. As to seeking, receiving or accepting anything of value, Hunter was paid at least $3 million over several years for board service that involved minimal work and no visible contribution to the enterprise other than access to his father. The board service began in 2014, when Joe was Vice President, and immediately after Joe was named “point man” for U.S. foreign policy in Ukraine. After a corruption investigation into Burisma in Ukraine began in 2015, Burisma’s number one corporate objective became ending that investigation. On November 2, 2015 Burisma executive Vadym Pozharsky stated to Hunter Biden in an email that Burisma’s “ultimate purpose” was to “close down” “any cases/pursuits against Nikolay [i.e., Burisma chairman Mykola Zlochevsky] in Ukraine.” Then, according to the Congressional testimony of Hunter Biden’s partner and Burisma co-board member Devon Archer, after a Burisma board meeting in Dubai on December 4, 2015, Zlochevsky and Pozharsky stepped out with Hunter to “call Washington.” A few days later Vice President Joe Biden traveled to Kyiv, and, as he himself has admitted on a widely-viewed videotape, threatened to withhold a billion dollars of U.S. aid to the country unless the prosecutor investigating Burisma was fired. And the prosecutor was fired.

In other words, the prima facie case of all of the elements of bribery is right there. It is what they call a lay down. Sure Biden has a couple of things he claims as defenses — mainly, that all the money went to his son, and that firing the prosecutor was official U.S. policy coming from people other than him. At this point those defenses look very weak, although maybe Biden can make something out of them.

But the fundamental point is that this is not situation of murky facts that somehow need to be contorted and shoe-horned into some obscure statute in order to make out a possible impeachable offense. This is a case where the prima facie case of a crime, and of a constitutionally enumerated impeachable offense, is right there in front of our eyes. And the crime in question is the main bribery statute.

It’s high time that everybody stopped calling Biden’s alleged wrongdoing by euphemisms like “influence peddling” or “foreign business dealings” — neither of which are terms specifically referencing an impeachable offense, let alone a crime. We should all start using the correct and obviously applicable constitutional and statutory term, which is “bribery.”

https://www.manhattancontrarian.com...we-start-calling-it-what-it-is-namely-bribery
Wow. That's A LOT of words.

Anything in there that is actual evidence?

Because yesterday was a gross failure if we're giving credence to the Republicans' star witnesses.
 
well, I've seen testimony of the guy who said he gave Biden....that's JOE Biden, $5M.......I've seen testimony that there may be as much as $50M that was paid from various foreign sources to Biden family members.....I've seen emails from Hunter complaining about having to use that money to pay Joe' bills.......all we need to do now is review the bank records to see if the money transfers confirm those facts......what do you think we should do, if that confirmation is there?.....

Better let the republicans in the house know, so far they say they don't have a fucking thing. Even if for some reason there was a transfer of funds from Hunter to his father that isn't against the law. I would be willing to bet plenty instances of funds being transferred amongst the Trumps. I guess those transfers were "perfect" like that assholes phone call trying to extort votes from the state of GA. Joe Biden is about as crooked as Jimmy Carter which is not at all.
 
well, I've seen testimony of the guy who said he gave Biden....that's JOE Biden, $5M.......I've seen testimony that there may be as much as $50M that was paid from various foreign sources to Biden family members.....I've seen emails from Hunter complaining about having to use that money to pay Joe' bills.......all we need to do now is review the bank records to see if the money transfers confirm those facts......what do you think we should do, if that confirmation is there?.....

Yes we all know the lies Derp right media is telling you guys.

Just like there was all this 'evidence of elections being stolen' in right derp media you guys were convinced by, meanwhile Trump lawyers in court, under oath, would say time and again 'no we are not here claiming any election theft', only to then leave the court room and go out to the right derp media and claim they submitted evidence of election theft.

What happens to you derps. is you hear the 'accusation' on right derp media, such as the alleged $5M payment, but when that is actually investigated, and it shown that Trump and Bill Barr already looked into and debunked it years prior, and the person alleged to have Biden, has made statements that no such happened and he never met or talked to Joe ever, you guys never see that part. Right derp media does not report it.

So you get stuck in a derp echo box of repeating over and over the same disproven things, thinking they hold up as you never see they were debunked.

That is why James Comer nor Jim Jordan will say that garbage is evidence of anything and when pushed by media admit they have no evidence yet but say 'I hope so...I am working on it'.
 
Better let the republicans in the house know, so far they say they don't have a fucking thing. Even if for some reason there was a transfer of funds from Hunter to his father that isn't against the law. I would be willing to bet plenty instances of funds being transferred amongst the Trumps. I guess those transfers were "perfect" like that assholes phone call trying to extort votes from the state of GA. Joe Biden is about as crooked as Jimmy Carter which is not at all.

Yup.

Just like PmP was so excited last month when Trump claimed he was doing a press conference to finally provide all the evidence of election fraud. The derps all got so excited that FINALLY Trump was going to share the proof, they knew of all along, but he refused to share in courts or anywhere prior.

This is just the same. The House was desperate to get republi'cans' on board a vote for the impeachment Inquiry but many republi'cans' refuse noting that without any evidence they would not vote for it and thus far no evidence has been found or shared with them.

derp thinking suggests the republi'cans' have it but are hiding it for some later purpose.
 
well, I've seen testimony of the guy who said he gave Biden....that's JOE Biden, $5M.......I've seen testimony that there may be as much as $50M that was paid from various foreign sources to Biden family members.....I've seen emails from Hunter complaining about having to use that money to pay Joe' bills.......all we need to do now is review the bank records to see if the money transfers confirm those facts......what do you think we should do, if that confirmation is there?.....

Why do you say "Biden family members" instead of naming them? If you have this evidence you should know exactly who recieved money. Thus far they don't say Joe Biden because he hasn't had a fucking thing to do with Hunters business or earnings. Believing Hunter when he talks of paying his fathers bills is like believing trump when he says the election was stolen. That isn't evidence of anything. Only the deranged and ignorant trump supporter believes that bullshit. Not to mention even if he did pay some of his fathers bills that isn't against the law either. It's not like telling the federal govt that you have turned over all the classified documents when a search reveals 100's more. That is what you call evidence.
 
Why do you say "Biden family members" instead of naming them?
because listing the names on 20 different accounts take up lots of space and time.....I'm sure somewhere there's a complete list......does it matter to you?.......look it up....

even if he did pay some of his fathers bills that isn't against the law either.

if they can trace a money transfer from the guy from Burisma who says he paid Joe $5M to an account that was used to pay bills for Joe will you believe that is NOT against the law?.....
 
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