The Art of Ignoring the 800lb Gorilla

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Actually, he's off target as usual.

actually, even I have to agree with Dixie on this one....at least the part below:

Now, if Maj. Hussan were listening to Rush, and looked like Tim McVeigh, I am certain the left would already have him convicted of domestic terrorism, and would be pushing to have right-wing talk radio banned, to protect us from future terror attacks like this.

All you're agreeing with is his supposition and conjecture....which is just neocon mental diarrhea that has NOTHING to do with the information released so far on this case. My original assessment stands valid.

 

[Damocles]

What specifically do you recommend? What should we pay attention to, and what specifically would we do differently if we can all conclude that he is a "Jihadist"?

Personally I recommend actually believing somebody who says the stuff we are finding out through reports and making sure they are far away from weapons.

Again. My point is, they won't call this guy a terrorist because then people (yes John Q) will expect something more to be done. In a way I fully understand why they wouldn't say it, even when they know the guy is a jihadist acting as an extension of the same groups that attack us so regularly abroad and at home.

But pretending that the CIC is too dense to see what seems pretty obvious to people isn't doing him any favors.

 

[Damocles]

According to what's been released so far....he was cranking for a long time about belonging to an army and country that he felt was waging an unfair war against muslims. He didn't want to be part of that system...yet he joined up and excelled in that system. Clearly, the man was conflicted, and his peers reported on this...but the system let him slide.

This is like hearing about work place violence, the first sign it is going to happen is when they quite literally tell people it will happen. This guy was exhibiting so many signs that he was starting to outshine Las Vegas...

 

[SmarterthanYou]

All you're agreeing with is his supposition and conjecture....which is just neocon mental diarrhea that has NOTHING to do with the information released so far on this case. My original assessment stands valid.

that may be true. But I do agree and concur with my assessment as well.

and you can take your neocon mental diarrhea and stick it back up where the sun doesn't shine on you. I'm not a neocon.

 

[Canceled2]

How he saw himself is not relevant to the reality of what was.

That's a logical vacuum! The very fact that he identified with a radical Islamic tenet and aligned himself with a religious leader who encourages acts of terrorism against American's...makes it absolutely relevant!

 

[Canceled1]

Well, in lieu of this thread becoming a referendum on your ass worship of Dixie, I'll just agree with the opening post of this thread.

Wassa mattuh Beefcakes?

You pitching a hissy fit because you believe it should be the constant ass-kicking you're so fond of?

How fair and balanced of you, Moderator...

 

[Canceled1]

Dixie's always right......far right.

Too bad you let it get to you guys so much.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
All you're agreeing with is his supposition and conjecture....which is just neocon mental diarrhea that has NOTHING to do with the information released so far on this case. My original assessment stands valid.

that may be true. But I do agree and concur with my assessment as well. That's sad, man. Because I recall you stating that you're not a neocon or that you share their views. I guess that's changed.
and you can take your neocon mental diarrhea and stick it back up where the sun doesn't shine on you. I'm not a neocon.

I didn't say you where...you need to learn to comprehend what you read. But YOU stated that YOU agree with the BS the Dixie spews....which is the same BS that can be heard from Limaugh or Beck or Savage and the like. Don't get pissed at me for pointing out YOUR words. And as I said, given the evidence thus far, Dixie's mental dump has NOTHING to do with reality.....it's just another frustrated rant by neocon numbskulls to tie failure of any kind to Obama...and when they can't they try to pass off a "what if" as gospel truth. That dog just won't fly here.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I didn't say you where...you need to learn to comprehend what you read. But YOU stated that YOU agree with the BS the Dixie spews....which is the same BS that can be heard from Limaugh or Beck or Savage and the like. Don't get pissed at me for pointing out YOUR words. And as I said, given the evidence thus far, Dixie's mental dump has NOTHING to do with reality.....it's just another frustrated rant by neocon numbskulls to tie failure of any kind to Obama...and when they can't they try to pass off a "what if" as gospel truth. That dog just won't fly here.

in all actuality, my original post has me agreeing with only one part of his post.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I didn't say you where...you need to learn to comprehend what you read. But YOU stated that YOU agree with the BS the Dixie spews....which is the same BS that can be heard from Limaugh or Beck or Savage and the like. Don't get pissed at me for pointing out YOUR words. And as I said, given the evidence thus far, Dixie's mental dump has NOTHING to do with reality.....it's just another frustrated rant by neocon numbskulls to tie failure of any kind to Obama...and when they can't they try to pass off a "what if" as gospel truth. That dog just won't fly here.

in all actuality, my original post has me agreeing with only one part of his post.

The chronology of the posts shows EXACTLY what you agreed with and EXACTLY what I called you on. So spare us all any BS to try and pretend otherwise. My assessments on both parts stands. If you want the last word just out of sheer stubborness, go for it.

 

[Socrtease]

Sometimes there are "lone wolfs", however in only one religion that we know of today are we attacked consistently by people who are urged to do so for heavenly rewards. This particular act was a continuation of that principle. To say otherwise simply rejects relevant information in favor of what you want to believe.

And I take responsibility for what I actually said, not what you pretend I said.

Then every killer of an Abortion Doctor is a terrorist and every bomb that goes off or acid bath that a clinic gets is a terrorist act. Are you really comfortable with that? Lone wolfs seeking a political goal through the use of violence, encouraged by leaders of the pro-life community, who while not acting out themselves, call acts like shooting doctors, defense of others. I think that you righties need to think this out, or your anti-choice zealots could find themselves in the same place.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The chronology of the posts shows EXACTLY what you agreed with and EXACTLY what I called you on. So spare us all any BS to try and pretend otherwise. My assessments on both parts stands. If you want the last word just out of sheer stubborness, go for it.

stop trying to read peoples thoughts and minds. you suck at it. it just makes you look stupid when you're so wrong.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Then every killer of an Abortion Doctor is a terrorist and every bomb that goes off or acid bath that a clinic gets is a terrorist act. Are you really comfortable with that? Lone wolfs seeking a political goal through the use of violence, encouraged by leaders of the pro-life community, who while not acting out themselves, call acts like shooting doctors, defense of others. I think that you righties need to think this out, or your anti-choice zealots could find themselves in the same place.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Go look up the definition of terrorism... if your example fits the definition, it IS terrorism, period, end of discussion! I don't give a damn what example you want to throw out there, if it fits the definition of terrorism, it can't be anything else, that would defy reason and common sense... of course, we know you are limited on both.

This thread is dealing with the more specific 800 lb gorilla, radical Islamic Jihadists, and our politically correct unwillingness to SAY that's what they are, even when the evidence is overwhelming, as in the case of Maj. Hassan. No, we have to walk around on fucking eggshells and pretend there isn't an 800 lb gorilla in the room, because if we don't, you nitwits will call us racists and claim we are profiling, then lecture us on how Islam is the religion of peace, and not all Muslims are bad.... well just where in the fuck are all these "good" Muslims? I would expect to hear them vehemently speaking out against Maj. Hassan's actions on every venue available... but what do we see? Well, we have CAIR refusing to allow Army investigators in the headquarters to search for evidence, obstructing the investigation in the name of their religious privacy. I've not seen the first Muslim stand up and condemn the acts of this man, all I see is pinhead nitwit liberals, falling all over themselves to lecture us on diversity!

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Ok, I'll play, the act by an American Major was an act of war against the US? So WHO declared war on us? What organization or government was he working for? Give us the S2 you obviously have access to that none of us do? What this guy a wacked out moslem? You bet. He thought that Moslems in the Military should be able to claim concientious objector status in any war that involved other Moslems. That is nuts, just as nuts as catholics or Protestants making the claim anytime we go to war against a nation where there are christians. That being said, you have ZERO evidence that this guy was an agent of anyone. He was a kook that didn't want to carry out his orders. He snapped and killed people. You are right, people would say all this stupid shit about a white guy that voted republican and listened to Rush, and it would sound as stupid as you do now.

There is some information that just doesn't seem to fit.
He supposedly had been trying to get out of the Military, for a while now; but the radio had a report that said he had just been promoted!!

Why would they promote someone who was trying to leave??

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

There is some information that just doesn't seem to fit.
He supposedly had been trying to get out of the Military, for a while now; but the radio had a report that said he had just been promoted!!

Why would they promote someone who was trying to leave??

LOL... Why would they allow someone who was vocally sympathizing with our enemy, and apparently communicating with them by email, to even BE near a military base, much less IN the military?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

LOL... Why would they allow someone who was vocally sympathizing with our enemy, and apparently communicating with them by email, to even BE near a military base, much less IN the military?

Do you have the time line of his actions??

From what I've heard, he was under survaillance; but they didn't say who.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Do you have the time line of his actions??

From what I've heard, he was under survaillance; but they didn't say who.

All I know is, there were more red flags with this guy than a communist pep rally, and no one did anything about it.... I suppose because he is a Muuuuuuuslim.... and we have to be considerate of Muuuuuuuslims.... we can't draw any conclusions about Muuuuuuuslims.... We don't want to be viewed as racist or be accused of profiling.... discriminating against him because of his Muuuuuuslim religion......

This politically correct BULLSHIT is literally killing us!

 

[USFREEDOM911]

All I know is, there were more red flags with this guy than a communist pep rally, and no one did anything about it.... I suppose because he is a Muuuuuuuslim.... and we have to be considerate of Muuuuuuuslims.... we can't draw any conclusions about Muuuuuuuslims.... We don't want to be viewed as racist or be accused of profiling.... discriminating against him because of his Muuuuuuslim religion......

This politically correct BULLSHIT is literally killing us!

When I first heard that they were keeping an eye on him, was that maybe they were trying to see if he would lead them to someone else.

 

[Canceled2]

All I know is, there were more red flags with this guy than a communist pep rally, and no one did anything about it.... I suppose because he is a Muuuuuuuslim.... and we have to be considerate of Muuuuuuuslims.... we can't draw any conclusions about Muuuuuuuslims.... We don't want to be viewed as racist or be accused of profiling.... discriminating against him because of his Muuuuuuslim religion......

This politically correct BULLSHIT is literally killing us!

Yeah, too bad he wasn't a white guy calling himself a Christian he'd be easy to rip on then~~~

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

When I first heard that they were keeping an eye on him, was that maybe they were trying to see if he would lead them to someone else.

I don't know about you, but I am going to sleep a whole lot better tonight, knowing they were keeping an eye on this dude! I guess they must've been distracted by a shiny object the day he mowed down 14 people, huh?

I think it is hard to tell how much of what we are getting is legitimate fact, and how much is administration spin, at this point. Obviously, we have a problem when someone this radicalized was even ON a military base! I don't buy that any "they" were keeping any "eye" on him. I think his behavior was reported, and then ignored, up a PC chain of command following the PC policies of the commander in chief and his PC administration.

I am shocked by this, but I am left to wonder, how many more Maj. Hussan's are out there in our damn military? Are we not going to do anything until the next one snaps, and pretend there is nothing we can do? This is typical of liberals, everything is a reaction to what you were too stupid to prevent in the first place, and you continue to stare with that dumb look, claiming you didn't know... no one knew... we couldn't imagine this happening...

Imagine this incident happening under Bush? Does anyone have ANY doubts, the left would be directly blaming this on Bush in the harshest of terms? OMG...We have a full-blown alQeda operative launching the worst terror attack on a military installation inside the us in all of history, and it's all because of Bush incompetence! Look at all the warnings and red flags! Was he in a drunken stupor? Thought he was keeping us safe... so much for that! Can't you all just hear it? The left would be climbing the walls in fits of rage, if this happened on Bush's watch... but Obama? ... *crickets*