the AR-15 follies: Here we go again!

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Spoken like a true chicken hawk right wing BS artist. Why don't you toddle over to the next memorial for the victims of Columbine or Parkland and bray your stupidity? Should be interesting results.

What are you implying? That a bunch of gun banners would assault me for disagreeing with them? Typical liberal. We'll beat you up for not agreeing with us. That will teach me.

I'm implying anything, chuckles....I'm calling you a hypocritical coward straight out!

Seems you and your like minded brethren on this thread have no problem in securing the potential for more wackos to get a weapon of choice to murder groups of innocent people just as long as your mental comfort zone philosophy isn't disturbed.

So long as it doesn't happen to your family and friends.

But just the mere suggestion that you tell your "reasons" to the surviving members of victims like that referenced in the OP, and you shyte your pants...and whine like a little bitch "oh, they're going to beat me because I disagree with them".

Thing is chuckles, your disagreement and callous indifference cost lives....a matter of history, a matter of fact, which is why you should have your wussy ass whupped. But don't worry, you'll live. Pity a lot of people who suffered the results of your beliefs can't say the same.

Laugh that one off, you pathetic POS.

 

[Taichiliberal]

By the way, you have a better chance of winning a million dollars playing Powerball than getting killed in a mass shooting...

tell that to the victims families. But hey, it hasn't happened to you and yours, so who cares?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Agreed. Also, a person's odds of being in one go down greatly if they aren't a gang member.

A list of things Democrats don't talk about versus their clamoring about "gun deaths". Most don't give a shit about suicides (#10) unless it's with a gun.
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-mortality-risk

Jeezus! You gun flunkies are actually comparing medical issues to murder? When was the last time someone ran into a movie theatre and killed a bunch of people with one of your lists, Dutch?

Your jokers bend so far over to excuse the deadly results of your actions that you only hear and see your own shyte due to your heads being up yer butts.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Skinner didn’t appear forceful, but I concluded he was playing with the human mind in my brief exposure with his work.

I read I, Robot in junior high school, but I was much more into the books of J Krishnamurti, “Think on These Things” and “The Awakening of Intelligence” .. changed my life at an early age.

Studying isn't "playing". Neither is manipulating. He helped prove the limits of humanity.

Sorry. Although I don't recall reading Krishnamurti, thank you for the reference. I'll look more into his writings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti



Remember the CIA and KGB experiments with mind control and ESP in the 60s? Both failed. Many movies of the time made a big deal about sleeper agents and humans reduced to robots, but the reality is it couldn't be done.

I, Robot was a good story. Asimov came up with the "three rules of robots". Pretty logical and ahead of his time just like Arthur C. Clarke popularizing the idea of man-made satellites.

This article discusses Asimov's three rules: https://www.scientificamerican.com/...g-humans-so-weve-developed-a-better-solution/

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Jeezus! You gun flunkies are actually comparing medical issues to murder? When was the last time someone ran into a movie theatre and killed a bunch of people with one of your lists, Dutch?

Your jokers bend so far over to excuse the deadly results of your actions that you only hear and see your own shyte due to your heads being up yer butts.

No. OTOH, you gun-banners are doing so. Why do you think murder and suicide are the same?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And there lies the rub.....when it's convenient the gunners would classify those weapons on the list as 'handguns', but once off the list they change their tune and have no problem as to how they are marketed by the retailers. Hell, some gunners are in denial or ignorant of what the AR-15 was originally designed for.And spare us all this tired mantra that guns are not the whole problem. Hell, the GOP fights to defund any social programs that would address proverty, treatment for mental health, etc. They bitch about "entitlements", yet turn a blind eye to the FACT that the desperate, the criminal and the emotional/mentally defecive will turn to weapons that make it easier for them to lash out or take advantage of society. The AR-15 was designed as a military weapon TO KILL PEOPLE. Its versatility, good trigger action and accuracy suits most well for the non-professional...and it's been the weapon of choice for the majority of mass shootings in the last 30 years or so (or a similar assault weapon that was on the 1994 AWB list). A matter of fact, a matter of history whether you accept it or not.

You need to do more research, the weapon of choice for mass shootings is a handgun, I have posted links showing just that. It is that when someone uses an AR everyone makes a big deal out of the firearm used. Funny how that was Not the case in the shooting in Georgia the week before when the shooter killed 8 people with a handgun. You probably mean well, but before wading into this topic too deep you should do some more reading and learn more about the topic.

As opposed to what, genius? What went down in Boulder, Co recently? Or the seriously strapped joker in the Atlanta grocery store that was stopped by citizen's alert to cops? Are you so far gone that you're trying to justify keeping assault weapons like the AR-15 on the open market by saying "handguns do it to"? You really want to tell folk that 8 people are bad but 10 and up by assault rifles are okay?

Remember, the 1994 AWB list had various handguns on it too. Thing is, you gun flunkies are in denial of classfications that have existed for decades....Hell, you are in denial of what the creator and designer of the AR-15 originally designated it for.....MILITARY USE AS AN ASSUALT WEAPON.

Spare us your armchair expertise, because the families at funerals don't want to hear that BS.

 

[CASPER]

As opposed to what, genius? What went down in Boulder, Co recently? Or the seriously strapped joker in the Atlanta grocery store that was stopped by citizen's alert to cops? Are you so far gone that you're trying to justify keeping assault weapons like the AR-15 on the open market by saying "handguns do it to"? You really want to tell folk that 8 people are bad but 10 and up by assault rifles are okay?

Remember, the 1994 AWB list had various handguns on it too. Thing is, you gun flunkies are in denial of classfications that have existed for decades....Hell, you are in denial of what the creator and designer of the AR-15 originally designated it for.....MILITARY USE AS AN ASSUALT WEAPON.

Spare us your armchair expertise, because the families at funerals don't want to hear that BS.

Well you told me,,,,,,

I see you managed to ignore basically everything I said during your rant. And for your Fucking Information I am every bit against these tragic events as you, I just thinking you are focused on the wrong thing to sure it. But I see there is no further point in attempting to educate you, your emotion has ending your ability to listen so,
Have a nice evening.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Yep, right up to Jan. 6th, that cost a woman her life, along with a DC cop just doing his job. Now they get to live the part of the movie where the insurrectionists are hunted down and jailed...with the majority of Americans rooting for the cops. As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for.

Data is showing up that most Qanon followers were nutjobs. Why don't Democrats care about mental health care over gun suicides?

https://theconversation.com/many-qanon-followers-report-having-mental-health-diagnoses-157299
many QAnon followers revealed – in their own words on social media or in interviews – a wide range of mental health diagnoses, including bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety and addiction.

In court records of QAnon followers arrested in the wake of the Capitol insurrection, 68% reported they had received mental health diagnoses. The conditions they revealed included post-traumatic stress disorder, bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia and Munchausen syndrome by proxy – a psychological disorder that causes one to invent or inflict health problems on a loved one, usually a child, in order to gain attention for themselves. By contrast, 19% of all Americans have a mental health diagnosis.

Among QAnon insurrectionists with criminal records, 44% experienced a serious psychological trauma that preceded their radicalization, such as physical or sexual abuse of them or of their children.

1. Tell the reading audience EXACTLY HOW MANY OF THE ARRESTED AT THE TIME WERE IDENTIFIED AS QANON FOLLOWERS. And if we go by your numbers thus far, what's your excuse for the other 32%?

2. Are you in denial that the GOP record for financing better mental health facilities and treatment in the country is a consistent vote AGAINST?

3. Are you in denial that the AR-15 used by many of the mass shooters in the last 30 years was chosen because it does exactly like the marketing says? That it was originally created and designed for the military.

5. If you're going for the psycho defense, then look no further than the man who brays the loudest https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/

 

[Taichiliberal]

Sometimes a waiting period will allow people time to change their minds. He might have gotten laid that week or won a lotto.

Good, sick humor. Thanks for lightening the load.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
The AR-15 was DESIGNED AS A MILITARY ASSAULT WEAPON. A matter of fact, a matter of history that gunners just refuse to accept.

So? It's not one. It's a civilian semi-automatic rifle. Are you upset because it's semi-automatic or because of its history? It's "genetics" so to speak?

You can't split the hair, genius. When the military turned down the initial model, it was sold to Colt. The only difference is that the "civilian" model can't go fully automatic....not so big a deal given the great trigger action, stability, multiple accessories and adaptability. No wonder it's the weapon of choice for our mass shooters. The versions used by cops now-a-days have the capability to switch from semi to full auto. And don't forget the yahoos who proudly went online with videos showing how to alter the civilian versions to full auto.

Your callous indifference to the death toll this particular style weapon does is disgusting...near sociopathic. But hey, it's not your family or friends getting killed by the damned things, so you can play your little semantic games and vote for the payola punks in Congress to keep this mess going and keep this stuff on the open market.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You can't split the hair, genius....

I love it how you make things so simple by lumping everyone in the same pile. No doubt you do that with race too since know so much better.

The fact remains you want to ban a semi-automatic "scary looking" rifle. What do you want to ban after that?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
that's the best you've got? No concede to the point, just a picayune bitching? Jeez Dutch, you're slipp'in!

If you would provide some facts about crime dropping after 9/11, but that's not what I was referencing when I said it could easily take 30 minutes for a response to a 911 call where I live.

Why would you want to see my wife defenseless against attackers? Or anyone else? Why are you so cruel and heartless to leave women defenseless just because they don't live in the city with an honest police officer on every street corner waiting to help them?

A simple request would have been appropriate. Here's from Ground Zero https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/26/us/new-york-2017-crime-stats

You're full of it, Dutch....plain and simple. You couldn't logically or factually fault me, so you did a lame bitch because I didn't back slash between 9 & 11...obviously by your response you knew what I was referring to. A pathetic dodge on your part.

And your final paragraph ploy is just plain pathetic. Like I said, your callous indifference to others suffering is sick, because your little gunner flunky philosophy carries no weight as you are convinced it won't happen to you and it hasn't. So everyone else is just collateral damage to almighty gun maker/retailer/gunner 2nd Amendment philosophy.

Mass shooters don't do home invasions, bunky...their M.O. is a surprise attack on unarmed civilians, usually in group situations...sometimes sniper style. A matter of fact, a matter of history.

You're living up to your icon's description, Dutch. Sad.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
what's really sick is that gunners are essentially telling Americans, "So what if some yahoos kill 10 or more people at a clip? It's less than suicide by guns, so buck up and take the risk because it hasn't happend to me or mine, and even if I don't own one, that weapons shouldn't be taken off the shelves just beause it bothers my mental comfort zone".

god damned sick socipathic clods.....the gun manufacturers/retailers make money, the politicians that take their money get re-elected, and another mass shooting is just around the corner. God indeed bless America, because we need all the help we can get!

That's one view point.

Another viewpoint is a dystopian society like THX 1138 where everything is same and controlled "for the children".

I'm talking reality of the present and you're countering with "what if" using a sci-fi movie as your concrete basis? You gun flunkies seem to embrace the concept of "alternative facts".

You're living up to your icon description, Dutch.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Jeezus! You gun flunkies are actually comparing medical issues to murder? When was the last time someone ran into a movie theatre and killed a bunch of people with one of your lists, Dutch?

Your jokers bend so far over to excuse the deadly results of your actions that you only hear and see your own shyte due to your heads being up yer butts.

No. OTOH, you gun-banners are doing so. Why do you think murder and suicide are the same?

You're full of it Dutch! The chronology of the posts show you parroting the lame assertion constantly, only to be logically and factually disproven. No matter how many times and ways you state it, you can't blame Democrats (or anyone else for that matter) for the availability of a weapon that has been chosen and used in numerous mass shootings....that falls squarely on your shoulders and the GOP, who refused to reinstate the 1994 AWB after sunset.

You just jump from one lame excuse to another with the frequency of a cheap ham radio. Stubborn, Dutch, stubborn.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You can't split the hair, genius....

I love it how you make things so simple by lumping everyone in the same pile. No doubt you do that with race too since know so much better.

The fact remains you want to ban a semi-automatic "scary looking" rifle. What do you want to ban after that?

translation: Dutch lives up to his icon description by pushing his opinion as fact and desperately trying to change the subject with various accusations. Pity the fool doesn't understand that the chronology of the posts will always expose his folly....his insipidly stubborn denial non-withstanding.

laugh, clown, laugh.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
As opposed to what, genius? What went down in Boulder, Co recently? Or the seriously strapped joker in the Atlanta grocery store that was stopped by citizen's alert to cops? Are you so far gone that you're trying to justify keeping assault weapons like the AR-15 on the open market by saying "handguns do it to"? You really want to tell folk that 8 people are bad but 10 and up by assault rifles are okay?

Remember, the 1994 AWB list had various handguns on it too. Thing is, you gun flunkies are in denial of classfications that have existed for decades....Hell, you are in denial of what the creator and designer of the AR-15 originally designated it for.....MILITARY USE AS AN ASSUALT WEAPON.

Spare us your armchair expertise, because the families at funerals don't want to hear that BS.

Well you told me,,,,,,

I see you managed to ignore basically everything I said during your rant. And for your Fucking Information I am every bit against these tragic events as you, I just thinking you are focused on the wrong thing to sure it. But I see there is no further point in attempting to educate you, your emotion has ending your ability to listen so,
Have a nice evening.

Stop lying, toodles. The objective reader can follow the chronology of the posts and see how I systematically dismantle all your assertions and allegations...You keep braying about "education" yet you have consistently displayed willful ignorance as to the very creation of the AR-15, the contents of the 1994 AWB. As for the tragedies caused by this weapon being on the shelves of retailers, your croccodile tears are a joke, because you are making excuses to keep things just as they are...which means more yahoos and nut jobs will have access to a WEAPON OF CHOICE to do their evil.

Your actions and mentality lead to a conclusion that doesn't paint you in a good light. TFB if you don't like it, but don't throw a hissy fit at me....it's your words and beliefs. The OP just brought it out in you. Yeah, I'll tell you over and over, because like a good little monkey, you see/hear/speak no evil against the gun manufacturers/retailers/NRA.
Carry on.

 

[domer76]

Thanks for proving you really do want to ban all guns simply by labeling them "weapons of war".

I’ll wait for you to find a post of mine regarding “weapons of war”.

 

[CASPER]

Stop lying, toodles. The objective reader can follow the chronology of the posts and see how I systematically dismantle all your assertions and allegations...You keep braying about "education" yet you have consistently displayed willful ignorance as to the very creation of the AR-15, the contents of the 1994 AWB. As for the tragedies caused by this weapon being on the shelves of retailers, your croccodile tears are a joke, because you are making excuses to keep things just as they are...which means more yahoos and nut jobs will have access to a WEAPON OF CHOICE to do their evil.

Your actions and mentality lead to a conclusion that doesn't paint you in a good light. TFB if you don't like it, but don't throw a hissy fit at me....it's your words and beliefs. The OP just brought it out in you. Yeah, I'll tell you over and over, because like a good little monkey, you see/hear/speak no evil against the gun manufacturers/retailers/NRA.
Carry on.

I have forgotten more about the AR15 than you will ever know, Skippy. Yet you Ignore the fact that most mass shooting and most murders using a firearm are done with a Handgun and refuse to even acknowledge the fact.

You seem to be under the illusion that I actually care what light you see me in, you are a dishonest poster, your emotions override whatever thinking capacity you might have.

You can tell me whatever you want, your time to waste, I will not waste another second on you so expect no further replies.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I’ll wait for you to find a post of mine regarding “weapons of war”.

Fantastic.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

A simple request would have been appropriate. Here's from Ground Zero https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/26/us/new-york-2017-crime-stats

You're full of it, Dutch....plain and simple. You couldn't logically or factually fault me, so you did a lame bitch because I didn't back slash between 9 & 11...obviously by your response you knew what I was referring to. A pathetic dodge on your part....

Dude, you're a fucking moron:

I believe in the right to own a gun, I do not believe in the right to own weapons of mass murder. I own two guns, which are kept in my house UNLOADED, which means there is no chance my granddaughter will be accidentally killed by one, WHICH HAPPENS A LOT. I ALSO OWN TWO DOGS, WHICH MEANS NO ONE IS GOING TO SNEAK UP ON ME, AND ALLOWS ME TIME TO LOAD A GUN, IF, AND ONLY IF, THAT BECOMES NECCESSARY, AND GIVES MY WIFE TIME TO ALERT NEIGHBORS OR CALL 911.

I DO NOT LIVE IN FEAR OF LIVING OR BEING ATTACKED BY MONSTERS OR ZOMBIES, AND I HAVE LIVED IN URBAN ENVIRONMENTS, WHERE I CHOOSE TO LIVE, ALL MY LIFE.

Your best weapon is your mind.

Where I live 911 is 20-30 minutes away. That's if they aren't tied up with an accident. What works for you is great. I support your right to live your life the way you want.

I live where I want and see your desire to ban semi-automatic rifles to be an overreach of Federal authority.

And yet there was a drop in crime overall in the year after 911.