The American prison system is massive. It's yearly profit eclipses 133 nations

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Jarod said:
Legalizing most drugs would also have the effect to reducing soooooo much seemingly non-drug related crime. When I was a prosecutor I observed that 70-80% of "non-drug" crime was related to drugs. Most assaults, batteries, theft and burglary, murder, fraud, and child abuse is related to the fact that drugs are illegal.
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How is legalizing drugs going to reduce the drug related crime? Assuming the junkie still has to pay for the fix, what prevents him from burglary, assault, murder or all the other assorted crimes they commit to obtain money to support their habits? And how about the illegal importation of drugs? How are you planning on stopping that?
 
callinectes said:
How is legalizing drugs going to reduce the drug related crime? Assuming the junkie still has to pay for the fix, what prevents him from burglary, assault, murder or all the other assorted crimes they commit to obtain money to support their habits? And how about the illegal importation of drugs? How are you planning on stopping that?
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SEE: Prohibition
 
callinectes said:
How is legalizing drugs going to reduce the drug related crime? Assuming the junkie still has to pay for the fix, what prevents him from burglary, assault, murder or all the other assorted crimes they commit to obtain money to support their habits? And how about the illegal importation of drugs? How are you planning on stopping that?
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Jump off a building
 
callinectes said:
How is legalizing drugs going to reduce the drug related crime? Assuming the junkie still has to pay for the fix, what prevents him from burglary, assault, murder or all the other assorted crimes they commit to obtain money to support their habits? And how about the illegal importation of drugs? How are you planning on stopping that?
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If people have a choice between buying drugs from a shady motherfucker in a bad neighborhood, or going to the store, where do you think they're going to go? And if you still think the former, let me know the next time you decide to buy cigarettes from someone who isn't a legitimate business. You eliminate the way for criminals to profit, you therefore eliminate the motivation to commit crimes.
 
blackascoal said:
SEE: Prohibition
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Apples and oranges. What happened after prohibition was repealed? The government basically took control (at least from a regulatory point of view) of the production of alcohol. So what did we get out of that deal? 3.2 beer, limits on the proof of spirits, and alcohol that was taxed out the wahzoo. I quit smoking pot 35 years ago, when I joined the military (never liked it much anyway). But the stuff I was smoking before was nothing compared to what's out there now. Through new growing techniques, etc. the pot that's available now is much, much stronger than what was available to me as a kid. Legalization will bring regulation and taxation and government approved pot with such a low THC content that American pot bootleggers will multiply like bunnies. And why should the illegal importation of marijuana cease just because of legalization? It'll be the good strong stuff, and if the cartels are smart, they'll undercut the government price and make it cheaper. But I'm not even really talking about marijuana. The biggest crime problem with marijuana is probably driving under the influence of it. I'm talking about the harder drugs like cocaine,heroin, or meth. I don't really think that even the most liberal of libertarians would think legalizing stuff like that would be a good idea. Bottom line, it is my opinion that legalization is not going to be a crime prevention measure.
 
Jarod said:
If we would legalize drugs, then take half the money we spend on prison and prosecution and spend it on treatment... we would be in a much better place and those who want treatment for drug abuse would have an option.
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or we could legalize drugs and spend a tenth of what we currently spend on prison and prosecution and spend it on giving free drugs in massive quantities to addicts.....we could even throw in free funerals if they overdose.....the problem would probably work itself out in ten or eleven months......
 
The Dude said:
Making pot legal or decrim reduces crimes by hundreds of thousands.
You weren't a math major right
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So that's how we fight crime now? Make criminal acts legal, and the statistics take a dive? Yaaaaaaay! Just call us the freaking Justice league of America! Look, just take pot out of the equation. I don't really care about pot. Go ahead and sit in your mother's basement and smoke dope until you forget your name. Just make sure that you're stocked up on hot pockets and beanie weenies, because when you get the munchies and you hop in the car and take a ride down to the 7-11, that's when you might be sharing the road with me, and then it becomes MY problem. And once you make pot legal, how do you propose that it be distributed? I mean, I guess you could sell it at the 7-11, but we got people down here in South Florida that will rob a gas station and shoot the attendant for a pack of cigarettes. Maybe you should've swapped some of your math classes for sociology or criminal justice.
 
callinectes said:
So that's how we fight crime now? Make criminal acts legal, and the statistics take a dive? Yaaaaaaay! Just call us the freaking Justice league of America! Look, just take pot out of the equation. I don't really care about pot. Go ahead and sit in your mother's basement and smoke dope until you forget your name. Just make sure that you're stocked up on hot pockets and beanie weenies, because when you get the munchies and you hop in the car and take a ride down to the 7-11, that's when you might be sharing the road with me, and then it becomes MY problem. And once you make pot legal, how do you propose that it be distributed? I mean, I guess you could sell it at the 7-11, but we got people down here in South Florida that will rob a gas station and shoot the attendant for a pack of cigarettes. Maybe you should've swapped some of your math classes for sociology or criminal justice.
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I preface this by saying I'm not a drug person. I don't do drugs and I never have. I've not even tried pot, drugs just aren't my thing.

I will say as I've listened to drug legalization debate I have moved into the if not legal at least decriminalize pot camp. I hear the arguments you are making though. Regarding driving while high that is already illegal I assume but it doesn't stop people from doing it. If pot was made legal laws would still be in place preventing one from driving high. It's no different than alcohol. Alcohol is legal but you obviously can't legally drive drunk.

As far as a distribution method I would assume it would be something similar to alcohol where it could only be sold in certain locations. Yes alcohol and cigarette stores get held up periodically but I don't think that's a good argument for closing them or making them illegal. Look at the amount of violence that occurs in the black market drug economy. Put it more in the light of day and I'll bet you dollars to donuts those numbers go down.

To me the biggest issue is the number of young people we are putting in jail for non-violent drug offenses from both a cost perspective and what it's doing to those kids futures.
 
cawacko said:
To me the biggest issue is the number of young people we are putting in jail for non-violent drug offenses from both a cost perspective and what it's doing to those kids futures.
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Exactly. Once you go to jail, it's near impossible to live a legitimate life afterwords. So you then become a career criminal.
 
callinectes said:
So that's how we fight crime now? Make criminal acts legal, and the statistics take a dive? Yaaaaaaay! Just call us the freaking Justice league of America! Look, just take pot out of the equation. I don't really care about pot. Go ahead and sit in your mother's basement and smoke dope until you forget your name. Just make sure that you're stocked up on hot pockets and beanie weenies, because when you get the munchies and you hop in the car and take a ride down to the 7-11, that's when you might be sharing the road with me, and then it becomes MY problem. And once you make pot legal, how do you propose that it be distributed? I mean, I guess you could sell it at the 7-11, but we got people down here in South Florida that will rob a gas station and shoot the attendant for a pack of cigarettes. Maybe you should've swapped some of your math classes for sociology or criminal justice.
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Hey asshole jaywalking is a crime. You wanna jail them too! Moron
 
Pete Campbell said:
The American prison system is massive. So massive that its estimated turnover of $74 billion eclipses the GDP of 133 nations. What is perhaps most unsettling about this fun fact is that it is the American taxpayer who foots the bill, and is increasingly padding the pockets of publicly traded corporations like Corrections Corporation of America and GEO Group. Combined both companies generated over $2.53 billion in revenue in 2012, and represent more than half of the private prison business. So what exactly makes the business of incarcerating Americans so lucrative?

read more: http://www.smartasset.com/blog/news/the-economics-of-the-american-prison-system/

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This is perhaps one of the most unsettling things about our nation. Profit and prison should never go hand in hand. There might be this little thing called "a conflict of interest." We have businessmen trying to make a profit off of humans... lobbying our legislators for laws that will give them more customers. The privatized prison system is A MODERN DAY SLAVE TRADE.
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the 'anticrime' people are all for putting people in prison regardless of their crimes and have frightened the general public into agreeing with them.
 
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