the 14th Amendment case to bar Trump is much stronger than you think!

Fact check court reporting, you fucking idiot?

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No. Fact checking what you have been TOLD about that court reporting.

Did you even read what I wrote? It was just standard procedure..

If you choose to live outside of reality, there isn't anything I can do to change that.
 
Previously I argued this was very unlikely, not because the 14th Amendment does not lay out grounds for disqualification, Trump met, but because i assumed, the SC would require a criminal conviction on insurrection to be the bar for enacting it. To ensure partisan actors in the future could not just use this to block anyone from running they did not like.

Both History and current cases of using this Amendment demonstrate factually that actions can and have been taken without any criminal prosecution for insurrection by the party barred from running.

So i do not think the SC will simply read in a new requirement (thus amending the Constitution by judicial fiat) a new requirement of legal conviction when the founders of that article clearly did not intend that and instead they SC will have to decide what will suffice. And in the terms of what has sufficed for prior people barred from running who were not convicted the case against Trump is far stronger and worse for him.

- Trump had the head of the Senate (republican Mitch McConnell, and the head of the HOuse, Kevin McCarthy) BOTH state an insurrection took place and that Trump had responsible for it and was to blame. This is arguably the strongest non legal government rebuke one could get. So again, if you accept a legal finding (court conviction) is not need, then this is just about the highest bar you can otherwise get.

- In two of Trump's current prosecutions it is alleged Trump tried to overthrow the results of an election (meaning if they let him run and he wins but the conviction follows he would have to be removed via the Constitution)







the challenge the SC will have as avowed Originalists, is that they cannot simply read in a new requirement for 'legal conviction' that the Framers never intended and that has not been required in the past for such removals or disqualifications. And that instead leaves the SC to determine boundaries and thresholds for how this can be bounded outside the law, or in a political arena.

As i see it, there is only one real out they could subscribe that would be a higher threshold than Trump already got in the House and Senate citations stating he was responsible for the insurrection and that would be an impeachment and conviction. The problem that the SC would have with that, is that people who are not in office have been barred via the 14th. Meaning, lets say this was Hillary doing an insurrection after the 2016 loss, they could not impeach her due to her not being the Office holder, but they could still use the 12th bar her from any future runs as there is no requirement the person to be an office holder.

So that means the very highest bar, outside legal prosecution is what Trump already got and thus any boundary ther SC would be below that.


I now move the odds of the SC barring him to 70/30 unless they want to be completely hypocritical and go against their Originalist claimed beliefs and read in to the Constitution a new clause that 'requires conviction'.

Why are youso afraid of Trump? Your guy got the most votes in history, it would be impossible for a Trump win.
 
Why are youso afraid of Trump? Your guy got the most votes in history, it would be impossible for a Trump win.

You're just going to keep saying this, eh?

Ever check the history of Presidential elections? It actually happens sometimes that incumbent Presidents do not get the exact same # of votes in the next election.

Weird, huh?
 
No. Fact checking what you have been TOLD about that court reporting.

Did you even read what I wrote? It was just standard procedure..

If you choose to live outside of reality, there isn't anything I can do to change that.

Did you even read the happenings of the court? No!

That Biden ordered it all is right in there. It's a bit of a slip, but uh, they did it. :fu:

It's only 18 pages. :rolleyes:

It's in the second to the last paragraph.
 
Did you even read the happenings of the court, you dumb fuck? No!

That Biden ordered it all is right in there. It's a bit of a slip, but uh, they did it. :fu:

It's only 18 pages. :rolleyes:

Oh, it's in there. But that's procedural. That's what you don't seem to be understanding.

You just want it to be true - that Biden is orchestrating all of this. It was just a formality so the FBI could get the evidence. That's it. It's not what you've been told.
 
Oh, it's in there. But that's procedural. That's what you don't seem to be understanding.

You just want it to be true - that Biden is orchestrating all of this. It was just a formality so the FBI could get the evidence. That's it. It's not what you've been told.

It wouldn't be happening if the incumbent president didn't sign off on it. Prove me wrong!

"as requested" pretty much implies initiative taken by the incumbent president.

It doesn't say "as permission is granted for the FBI to", now does it? :thinking:
 
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It wouldn't be happening if the incumbent president didn't sign off on it. Prove me wrong!

The FBI needed that to proceed w/ the investigation. Biden didn't orchestrate anything.

I've watched the Trump crowd long enough to know - beyond the shadow of a doubt - that they will believe whatever they want to believe. Reality simply doesn't matter.
 
The FBI needed that to proceed w/ the investigation. Biden didn't orchestrate anything.

I've watched the Trump crowd long enough to know - beyond the shadow of a doubt - that they will believe whatever they want to believe. Reality simply doesn't matter.

Right!!! Like believing two spirit is a gender.
 
The FBI needed that to proceed w/ the investigation. Biden didn't orchestrate anything.

I've watched the Trump crowd long enough to know - beyond the shadow of a doubt - that they will believe whatever they want to believe. Reality simply doesn't matter.

"as requested" implies initiative taken by the incumbent president.

It doesn't say "as permission is granted for the FBI to", now does it? :rolleyes:

Coming from the top down, just like I said.

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You're just going to keep saying this, eh?

Ever check the history of Presidential elections? It actually happens sometimes that incumbent Presidents do not get the exact same # of votes in the next election.

Weird, huh?

Can't happen. Brandon has a sterling record and the perfect presidency. Don't you believe your fellow lefties on this forum?
 
"as requested" implies initiative taken by the incumbent president.

It doesn't say "as permission is granted for the FBI to", now does it? :rolleyes:

Coming from the top down, just like I said.

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It's the language of the court, and it's procedural.

Like I said: you're being lied to. It isn't reality. There is nothing out of the ordinary here.

But you're going to believe what you want to believe, just like you do w/ the 2020 election.
 
Gotta say - these conversations make me sad.

If you can look at the sky w/ a group of people & try to tell them it's blue, and they just keep saying it's not blue, what can you do? But in this case, it's really hurting the country that they do not believe reality. If people want to believe the sky is brown, it doesn't really affect anything.
 
Gotta say - these conversations make me sad.

If you can look at the sky w/ a group of people & try to tell them it's blue, and they just keep saying it's not blue, what can you do? But in this case, it's really hurting the country that they do not believe reality. If people want to believe the sky is brown, it doesn't really affect anything.

Bitch, I post court records and you talk about some "right wing site" bullshit. Fuck right off with that. :fu:

You are the denier in this case.
 
It is beyond obvious that the GOP is the Trump Party.

But I feel like if they had a chance to keep him off the ballot that seemed legit, they'd take it
And the SC ruling it's ok to leave him off would be a good opportunity. Well, until the right starts trying to hang the SC that is.
 
Why are youso afraid of Trump? Your guy got the most votes in history, it would be impossible for a Trump win.

Trump loses any way you slice it. This is about rule of law and the Constitution.

You do not say about a murderer, 'why are you so afraid of him, that you jail him'. You jail him as he broke the law.


Trump violated the Constitution while being the top officer in the US government sworn to protect it. If he is just allowed to run again then throw out the Constitution. To have swear to protect it again would be a mockery.
 
Trump loses any way you slice it. This is about rule of law and the Constitution.

You do not say about a murderer, 'why are you so afraid of him, that you jail him'. You jail him as he broke the law.


Trump violated the Constitution while being the top officer in the US government sworn to protect it. If he is just allowed to run again then throw out the Constitution. To have swear to protect it again would be a mockery.

TDS again? Love watching you squirm derp.
 
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