Texas Mom Faces Arrest Warrant and $700 Fine for Offering to Sell Homemade Tamales

Legion Grind said:
Libertarians think they should be free to do whatever they want, don't they?

If you voted Libertarian, and elected one, you wouldn't need a license.
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Man you really are stupid. That is so wrong I can't even laugh at you because I feel so sorry for you.

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Legionthecat said:

Foodborne Pathogens Associated with Fresh Fruits and Vegetables

There are a number of foodborne microbial pathogens associated with the consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables that can cause illness or death among consumers who eat contaminated produce.

This document summarizes the major foodborne microbial pathogens that may be found in fresh produce, including Cyclospora cayetanensis, Escherichia coli O157:H7, Hepatitis A, Listeria monocytogenes, Norovirus, Salmonella spp., and Shigella spp.1

Cyclospora: This pathogen is commonly characterized by watery diarrhea, loss of appetite, weight loss, abdominal bloating and cramping, low-grade fever, nausea, vomiting, and fatigue. Contaminated water used for irrigation and pesticide application and poor worker hygiene has been suggested as the most likely causes of contamination. Cyclospora outbreaks have been linked to fresh raspberries, mesclun lettuce, and basil or basil-containing products.

Escherichia coli O157:H7: Most E. coli strains are nonpathogenic (they suppress harmful bacterial growth), and are commonly found in the intestines of all animals, including humans. However, there are a minority of strains such as serotype O157:H7 that may cause human illness. E. coli O157:H7 is a life-threatening bacterium that produces large quantities of potent toxins that can cause severe damage to the lining of the intestines. Human illness associated with E. coli O157:H7 infection may include hemorrhagic colitis, hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS), or thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura (TTP). HUS largely affects young children and is the leading cause of acute renal failure in children. E. coli O157:H7 outbreaks have been linked to fresh produce (such as spinach and leafy greens).

Hepatitis A: This virus may cause a serious, and sometimes fatal, disease, characterized by sudden onset of fever, malaise, nausea, anorexia, and abdominal discomfort, followed in several days by jaundice. Hepatitis A outbreaks have been linked to fruits, vegetables, salads and with infected workers in food processing plants.

Listeria monocytogenes: This bacterium causes listeriosis, a serious disease in pregnant women, the elderly, and those with weakened immune systems. Listeriosis is characterized by flu-like symptoms, including persistent fever, and can be accompanied by gastrointestinal symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Listeriosis outbreaks have been linked to raw vegetables.

Noroviruses: These are viruses (also known as "Norwalk-like viruses") that cause acute gastroenteritis in humans. Norovirus outbreaks have been linked to contaminated water and salad ingredients.

Salmonella spp.: Typical symptoms of salmonellosis are nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramps, fever, mild diarrhea, and headache. Salmonella outbreaks have been linked to fresh produce.

Shigella spp.: Contamination by this pathogen has often been associated with poor personal hygiene of food workers. Typical symptoms include abdominal pain, cramps, diarrhea, fever, vomiting, and blood, pus, or mucus in stools. Shigellosis outbreaks have been linked to shredded lettuce, potato salad, green onions, and parsley.

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2008/11/19/foodborne-pathogens-associated-with-fresh-fruits-and-vegetables
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So you ignored my point about the flowers? I am sure you may find some hidden danger even there but get a grip or just go hide under your bed.
 
Legionthecat said:
No true libertarian would be so foolish as to hold a libertarian view...
But a $700 fine is, "too heavy handed" to protect the public health...
LOL
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I did not make any no true Scotsman argument. I said that not all libertarians believe what you claimed.

Do you know what an arrest warrant is? That's when these guys in uniform have every right to come after you with a gun. Some of those confrontations don't end well.

You think that sort of response is appropriate for an OFFER to sell tamales? You honestly don't think a warning or even a small fine would suffice?

$700 is a whole lot of money for some people and a decent amount for most.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/woman-fighting-fine-for-selling-tamales-without-permit/

I see no reason to believe this woman would have failed to comply with a warning, but apparently you have a deep seated need to punish people for earning money.
 
A spurious argument.

If the law says a warrant must be served by police officers and the fine is $700, what's the big deal?

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Hasa Diga Eebowai!

Hakuna Matata!
 
Seahawk said:
Man you really are stupid. That is so wrong I can't even laugh at you because I feel so sorry for you.

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Well, to be fair some of the dumbass libertarians (I am not saying they are not libertarians... so, not a no true Scotsman argument) at our convention booed Gary for saying he would require a driver's license. But Gary won.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
I asked the voices in my head which represent board regulars for comment...

The Troll and his cat said...
We can't possibly trust these regulations to Texas. We need a Federal Bureau of Tamales and Dennise should be charged with a federal crime.

Grind said...
Who cares? She's poor and Hispanic! Only the rights of rich white people matter!

Taft wondered...
Why can't we send her to Gitmo?

Desh said...
Austrian school is carp (sic)!
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Mott say's "and if the tamales had been made in unhygienic conditions and a child who ate them died of e-coli food poisoning that's just libertarian natural selection."
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
I don't deny that the state might have some legitimate interest in a permitting process. But the reaction is too heavy handed.
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Bet she doesn't do it again. I mean are you for real? Are you trying to tell me that municipalities don't have a say about local food services hygiene? Where have you been for about the last 200 years?
 
Rana said:
Way too heavy!
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In Ohio it would be a third degree misdemeanor and for a first offense for which there is a fine of up to $500 and 60 days in jail. It seems that the penalty was less heavy handed than here considering she didn't do 60 days in jail which would cost a heck of a lot more than $700.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
In Ohio it would be a third degree misdemeanor and for a first offense for which there is a fine of up to $500 and 60 days in jail. It seems that the penalty was less heavy handed than here considering she didn't do 60 days in jail which would cost a heck of a lot more than $700.
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Let me get this straight. She was selling a few homemade tamales but not running a business. I thought our bureaucrats were a bunch of jobsworths but that is ridiculous.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
I did not make any no true Scotsman argument. I said that not all libertarians believe what you claimed.

Do you know what an arrest warrant is? That's when these guys in uniform have every right to come after you with a gun. Some of those confrontations don't end well.

You think that sort of response is appropriate for an OFFER to sell tamales? You honestly don't think a warning or even a small fine would suffice?

$700 is a whole lot of money for some people and a decent amount for most.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/woman-fighting-fine-for-selling-tamales-without-permit/

I see no reason to believe this woman would have failed to comply with a warning, but apparently you have a deep seated need to punish people for earning money.
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He doesn't believe anything, he just trolls and is contrary to everyone and everything they say, except for his sock Leo, they never, ever disagree.

Don't expect intelligence or rationality, because he just wants to try and piss you off. He has no power in real life, only on this board.

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Mott the Hoople said:
Bet she doesn't do it again. I mean are you for real? Are you trying to tell me that municipalities don't have a say about local food services hygiene? Where have you been for about the last 200 years?
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I don't deny that the state might have some legitimate interest in a permitting process. But the reaction is too heavy handed.

Did that help you any?

I don't see any reason to believe she would have failed to comply with a warning or a smaller fine.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
In Ohio it would be a third degree misdemeanor and for a first offense for which there is a fine of up to $500 and 60 days in jail. It seems that the penalty was less heavy handed than here considering she didn't do 60 days in jail which would cost a heck of a lot more than $700.
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Texas is less heavy handed than Ohio.
Who would have guessed?
LOL
 
At the end of the day minorities participate way more in the underground economy. So for the "anti racist" crowd should the gov't crack down more on these violaters?
 
cawacko said:
At the end of the day minorities participate way more in the underground economy. So for the "anti racist" crowd should the gov't crack down more on these violaters?
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The government should do what it can to protect the public from unsafe retail food.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
I did not make any no true Scotsman argument. I said that not all libertarians believe what you claimed.

Do you know what an arrest warrant is? That's when these guys in uniform have every right to come after you with a gun. Some of those confrontations don't end well.

You think that sort of response is appropriate for an OFFER to sell tamales? You honestly don't think a warning or even a small fine would suffice?

$700 is a whole lot of money for some people and a decent amount for most.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/woman-fighting-fine-for-selling-tamales-without-permit/

I see no reason to believe this woman would have failed to comply with a warning, but apparently you have a deep seated need to punish people for earning money.
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Here is AZ, most vendors sell tamales at around $15 / dozen.
This means she would have to have sold around 47 DOZEN, to make enough for the fine.
For those who have difficulty with math, that equates to around to her making and then selling 564 tamales. :palm:
 
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