"Texas elementary school shooting: 16 dead, including 14 kids"

Port Tack said:
The current background checks aren't worth a shit, all they do is find out if you are a past convicted felon. A background check that looks more closely at someone's background and a 30 day waiting period to accomplish that check might help. It seems inside of a day or 2 in practically every case it is revealed that the shooter has mental problems. Why don't we make that determination BEFORE someone sells them a gun?
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Background checks are essential to a degree- A history of making threats or any acts of violence and criminal history are all helpful things to know about someone's past before just allowing them to carry a gun out of a store.

I will also say, that predicting someone's behavior, based on their past history, in the future is never more than a good guess when all you see are first time offenses. If you see trends of multiple incidents of violence or making threats or having criminal behaviors, the icing is pretty much on the cake, as this type of history should raise a huge RED FLAG.

Do background checks save lives? I think they would. I mean, do seat belts save live?- YES! Do Speed limits save lives? YES! Do Vaccinations save lives? YES?

Is doing something better than nothing! YES!

Laws will never prevent some from breaking the law! Laws will still be broken. But laws are not even there to prevent crime- THEY ARE DESIGNED TO DETER CRIME- and they do.

Just because it is against the law to rob a bank, there will always be banks that are still robbed- BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD JUST DO AWAY WiTH THE LAW THAT MAKE IT A CRIME. Can you only imagine how many bank robberies there would be daily- IF THERE WERE NO LAW CREATED TO DETER IT?

And just because someone today has never committed a crime- DOES NOT MEAN THEY WILL NEVER COMMIT A CRIME!

AND JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS NO CRIMINAL or mental issues in the past, at the time of a background checK, does not mean they will not go out and commit a crime with it the minute they HAVE a gun in their hands!

BUT DOING SOMETHING, IS STILL BETTER THAN NOTHING!

Having a background check before purchasing a firearm is still better than doing nothing!

The Democrat House has had a Bill on requiring background checks before the purchase of a gun, sitting in McConnell's inbox for two years, and he hasn't even bothered to bring it to the floor for a vote with his own Republican side of the Congress.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Why didn't Obama offer that?

It's a mental illness issue. If not a gun, then chain the doors shut and burn down the entire school, make propane bombs, drive a loaded truck (mass) through a crowd, etc.

The problem is sick people harming others. The Democratic solution is to punish all the innocent people out of fear.
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All of those things are much easier to dodge than a bullet and much harder to pull off than squeezing a trigger.
 
America will always be armed to the teeth, whether it's right or wrong.
American has NEVER BEEN a "right or wrong" nation.
America has always been, and will always be, an "us and them" nation.

Fuck guns.
We have to address the assault on women's right.
We have to address the assault on voters' rights.
We have to address the health care issue.
We have to address the workers' rights issue.
We have to address the education issue.

In the meantime, a few people are going to get capped.
There isn't a fucking thing we can do about short of dissolving the nation and starting over.
I'm good with that as well.
 
moon said:
How do you feel about necrophilia ?

Neither are relevant, of course- but American gun society suffers from a glorified mental illness.
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why isn't the Palestinian suicide vest society on a par with the American gun society?......is it because you glorify one but not the other......
 
Mr.Badguy said:
All of those things are much easier to dodge than a bullet and much harder to pull off than squeezing a trigger.
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So? Don't you want to ban them too, along with all the guns? All guns have bullets and triggers.
 
Concart said:
I officially give up. If two separate mass murders of little kids doesn't get you to agree that enhanced background checks are necessary, we are done as a society. Buy all the fucking guns you want. Go blow up shit in the woods. And please let me know when all those fucking guns you have stop the mass murder of a bunch of kids. Just once. I'll wait.
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banning guns would make things worse......mass murderers would turn to explosives and suicide vests and the death toll would skyrocket.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why isn't the Palestinian suicide vest society on a par with the American gun society?......is it because you glorify one but not the other......
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You're cracked. There have been 288 US school shootings in recent times.

See if you can find comparative evidence of Palestinian suicide bombers , you poor brain-scrubbed fool.

I'll be pushing you for an answer, half-wit. Like I said, you- and the US gun lobby- suffer from a glorified mental illness.
 
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Dutch Uncle said:
Hence the background check. Have you ever bought a gun in this century?
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I own about a dozen guns from a handgun to hunting rifles to shotguns. I have not purchased one in about 40 years but still have them all. About half of them handed down to me. There is no question I am FOR someone's right to own a gun. However, I am also FOR a background check much stricter than what we have now which is practically useless. I am FOR a waiting period of as much as 30 days to have that background check conducted. I am FOR making it illegal to purchase a gun from anyone but a licensed gun dealer and if you sell or transfer a gun to someone who uses it in a crime you are charged as an accomplice. The person charged with the crime will reveal where he obtained the gun or his sentence will be doubled.

The assholes who say it's not a gun problem but a mental health problem then fine, someone's mental health is evaluated in a background check before they can obtain a gun. Every time a whacko murders a bunch of people, inside of a day or two, we hear what sort of mental problems they had. If we can find that out in a day or two we can find it out BEFORE they buy a fucking gun.

I am also not for banning semi automatic guns such as the AR15 however a more intense background check and permit for one is a good idea. Farmers/ranchers trying to control predators is one such case where a permit to own one is in order.

None of those restrictions abridge someone's constitutional right to own a gun.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Dude, any party that serves itself first and seeks to deprive all Americans of their unalienable rights is an oppressive party and not one I'll belong. Yes, I'm not longer a Republican party member now either for the reasons such as you pointed out.

The Republican party is now an authoritarian Federalist party supporting big government over state's rights.
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I have never been a registered democrat or republican but can say I never voted for a democrat for president until John Kerry (I thought Bush was a bubbling idiot). I have been voting since Nixon. I can also say I have not voted for a republican since and can not see myself doing so again under any circumstances. This gun issue is a classic reason why. If this country wants something done concerning regulating guns there is really only one way to do it, don't vote for a fucking republican! Same with a woman's right to choose, don't vote for a fucking republican! Same with our disgustingly lopsided tax code, don't vote for a fucking republican!

20 years ago republicans were different, today they are fascist fuckwads.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Not sure which that one was, but there's no reason there isn't a national data base for businesses to check to verify eligibility to work, rent/buy or own a gun.

A pawn shop clerk running a background check doesn't need to know the buyer's medical history, just whether the buyer passes or not. If it's not, then the buyer should be given a code reference number to contact an agency on why his purchase was denied.
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That pawn shop owner must be licensed to sell a gun and he will submit that background check to ATF. ATF will contact the buyer when he can go pick up the firearm from the dealer or why his purchase has been denied.
If you want to sell a gun to someone you go to a licensed gun dealer and he will submit the background check and conduct the sale. That background check is not just a nationwide check to see if the person is a convicted felon. It also looks into whether or not the buyer is a whackadoodle.
 
Port Tack said:
I own about a dozen guns from a handgun to hunting rifles to shotguns. I have not purchased one in about 40 years but still have them all. About half of them handed down to me. There is no question I am FOR someone's right to own a gun. However, I am also FOR a background check much stricter than what we have now which is practically useless. I am FOR a waiting period of as much as 30 days to have that background check conducted. I am FOR making it illegal to purchase a gun from anyone but a licensed gun dealer and if you sell or transfer a gun to someone who uses it in a crime you are charged as an accomplice. The person charged with the crime will reveal where he obtained the gun or his sentence will be doubled.

The assholes who say it's not a gun problem but a mental health problem then fine, someone's mental health is evaluated in a background check before they can obtain a gun. Every time a whacko murders a bunch of people, inside of a day or two, we hear what sort of mental problems they had. If we can find that out in a day or two we can find it out BEFORE they buy a fucking gun.

I am also not for banning semi automatic guns such as the AR15 however a more intense background check and permit for one is a good idea. Farmers/ranchers trying to control predators is one such case where a permit to own one is in order.

None of those restrictions abridge someone's constitutional right to own a gun.
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Agreed on both points. The "transfer" thing ran into problems in California when fathers were arrested for letting their teenagers shoot their rifle since they "illegally transferred a firearm to another".

Using the legal precedents as a springboard, we'd be able to eliminate people from all sorts of things with the mandatory mental health check requirement; driving, voting, being in elected office, teachers, etc. IMO, that's a GOOD thing. LOL
 
Port Tack said:
That pawn shop owner must be licensed to sell a gun and he will submit that background check to ATF. ATF will contact the buyer when he can go pick up the firearm from the dealer or why his purchase has been denied.
If you want to sell a gun to someone you go to a licensed gun dealer and he will submit the background check and conduct the sale. That background check is not just a nationwide check to see if the person is a convicted felon. It also looks into whether or not the buyer is a whackadoodle.
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That's how I've bought my guns. That's the process in which the Uvalde and Buffalo nutjobs purchased their firearms.

The problem is legislation involving breaking Doctor-Patient privilege. I'm guessing HIPAA is involved too. Congress needs to rewrite the laws on medical privacy.

FWIW, I'd love to have the psych evals of every America available to employers. As an airline captain, I'd have loved to have reviewed who was on my aircraft and boot off the nutjobs. LOL
 
PostmodernProphet said:
moon said:
How do you feel about necrophilia ?

Neither are relevant, of course- but American gun society suffers from a glorified mental illness.
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why isn't the Palestinian suicide vest society on a par with the American gun society?......is it because you glorify one but not the other......
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My guess is that Ms. Moon does see political terrorism as A-OK with her. She hates everything American anyway.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
That's how I've bought my guns. That's the process in which the Uvalde and Buffalo nutjobs purchased their firearms.

The problem is legislation involving breaking Doctor-Patient privilege. I'm guessing HIPAA is involved too. Congress needs to rewrite the laws on medical privacy.

FWIW, I'd love to have the psych evals of every America available to employers. As an airline captain, I'd have loved to have reviewed who was on my aircraft and boot off the nutjobs. LOL
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What an idiot. Your taking a psych eval would expose you as the freak you are, racist bitch.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
My guess is that Ms. Moon does see political terrorism as A-OK with her. She hates everything American anyway.
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And you see everyone who wants these AR15's off the street as militant. That's because your penis is so small you need a big gun to feel manly.

You suck, bitch.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yet the fucking Democrats think they can get a gun ban bill passed? This is a medical issue, specifically mental health.
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If it is a mental health issue then what the fuck is wrong with evaluating someone's mental health BEFORE they buy a fucking gun?

Yes, Obama wanted to ban guns from vets with PTSD. That wasn't the problem; the problem was that there was little to no effective means to get off that list.

Consider this scenario: A college student's roommate is killed road surfing and becomes depressed. He seeks treatment and, per the law, is put on a list to not own or possess a gun. 40 years later he's a successful, retired business man who never had any further mental health issues and wants to buy a .22 rifle to take his grandson squirrel hunting. He finds he's blocked from owning a firearm. IMO, that's not justice.
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That is the primary reason for the waiting period. This is a dynamic situation and ATF will not be making decisions based on facts from 40 yrs past. They may see that past issue and contact and conduct a deeper search, talk to people who know the guy and make a decision based on current reality. The fact he's looking to buy a .22 versus a machine gun is another variable they take into consideration.

Secondly, if we're going to ban people from owning guns, shouldn't we ban them from voting and driving cars?
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That is ridiculous. Gun restrictions are to save lives from the whackos who want to kill people for the fun of it. Nobody dies from you voting and everyone is evaluated and tested before they can drive a car.
 
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