Texas Deciding What's in Textbooks!

Dixie said:
No Zapped... I was the idiot who said we don't know this for certain either way. There are many things we don't know for certain, it's not a big deal. We don't have proof for anything regarding humans and dinosaurs, we have evidence, and different people view it different ways, it's called, perspectives.

You didn't show anyone that anything wasn't true, you illustrate daily that you lack the mental wattage to show anyone anything, much less recognize or comprehend the truth. You are a typical pinhead liberal loudmouth, who has very little to offer, other than your usual vile.
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You indeed were the one arguing that since we don't have conclusive proof, that we cannot say for sure whether or not Dinosaurs and humans ever walked the Earth simultaneously. If kids get taught that humans and Dinos walked the Earth together, it will be because of ridiculous claims like yours.

You arrived at your conclusion by claiming that since we haven't dug up 100% of the Earth's crust and searched, we cannot know conclusively whether humans and Dinos existed at the same time.

I put it to you then that you are obviously an idiot with a 75 IQ, and since each and every single human on the planet including everyone here at JPP hasn't PERSONALLY administered an IQ test to you to prove otherwise, there's no way for you to prove my statement false.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You indeed were the one arguing that since we don't have conclusive proof, that we cannot say for sure whether or not Dinosaurs and humans ever walked the Earth simultaneously. If kids get taught that humans and Dinos walked the Earth together, it will be because of ridiculous claims like yours.

You arrived at your conclusion by claiming that since we haven't dug up 100% of the Earth's crust and searched, we cannot know conclusively whether humans and Dinos existed at the same time.

I put it to you then that you are obviously an idiot with a 75 IQ, and since each and every single human on the planet including everyone here at JPP hasn't PERSONALLY administered an IQ test to you to prove otherwise, there's no way for you to prove my statement false.
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And I stand by my statements of TRUTH... If we haven't dug up every layer of fossil remains for all of Earth's history, how the hell can we CONCLUDE anything? Indeed, it DOES take an IQ of 75 or lower, to maintain a position to the contrary! I don't want kids taught that humans and dino roamed the earth together, that is not what I ever have said! I would like for them to be taught that we can never be "conclusive" with regard to all the facts, because there is FAR MORE WE DON'T KNOW for certain, than things we DO! We don't have all the information, we probably never will! Therefore, we can't CONCLUDE a damn thing! We can guess... we can speculate... we can theorize... but we simply can not ever KNOW with complete certainty.
 
WinterBorn said:
I think having a group decide will help eliminate most of the extreme positions.

For example, I think it would be hard to push thru an agenda that has only intelligent design being taught.

But with the ever increasing volume of information out there, there needs to be some way to trim it back.



Dixie, removing Christopher Columbus altogether might not be good, but he certainly needs to be downgraded to a minor explorer. He is also responsible for some horrors on this continent.
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Maybe you need to re-read the third post and fuckin think about it...

A group of like minded assholes making the decisions is as bad as one tyrant....and the NEA are like minded assholes....and you know where they stand on the social/political spectrum don't you ...
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You indeed were the one arguing that since we don't have conclusive proof, that we cannot say for sure whether or not Dinosaurs and humans ever walked the Earth simultaneously. If kids get taught that humans and Dinos walked the Earth together, it will be because of ridiculous claims like yours.

You arrived at your conclusion by claiming that since we haven't dug up 100% of the Earth's crust and searched, we cannot know conclusively whether humans and Dinos existed at the same time.

I put it to you then that you are obviously an idiot with a 75 IQ, and since each and every single human on the planet including everyone here at JPP hasn't PERSONALLY administered an IQ test to you to prove otherwise, there's no way for you to prove my statement false.
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Nor any way for you to prove it true, and thats the entire point being made you asshole moron....is "thinking" foreign to you...?
 
Damocles said:
And who populates the Texas State Board of Education? Is it like the vast majorities of the states and populated by former teachers with a continued and direct loyalty towards a certain union? Hmmm?

I find it incredible that somebody can know just enough to pretend that the point that they made was never thought of by another who went long past that portion of the equation. It's like your old algebra teacher telling you to "show your work" after you've already answered the question correctly.
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You obviously haven't bothered to see whether the Texas Board of Eduction is "populated by former teachers" let alone determined whether the members have "a continued and direct loyalty towards a certain union."

In fact, the fifteen member board has a grand total of 6 current or former teachers. So, no, it isn't "populated by former teachers." And of those six current or former teachers, two of them are Democrats, the other 4 are Republicans. So I question whether six teachers have "a continued and direct loyalty towards a certain union" as you assert.

Moreover, the Board as a whole is composed of 10 Republicans and 5 Democrats. That's why get loony shit like the Board contemplating whether intelligent design should be taught in Texas schools (and be in textbooks for the entire nation).
 
Damocles said:
I still find it incredible that Texas teachers' unions are in control of pretty much the entire nation's text books.
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You got that as backward. Texas educators have precious little say about what goes into State of Texas text books. Those requirements are determined by the State Board of Education and the political appointees assigned to it. Most don't even had an education background.

I mean were talking the same nit wits here who wanted to mandate including Intelligent Design in State biology text books as accepted science.
 
WinterBorn said:
I think having a group decide will help eliminate most of the extreme positions.

For example, I think it would be hard to push thru an agenda that has only intelligent design being taught.

But with the ever increasing volume of information out there, there needs to be some way to trim it back.



Dixie, removing Christopher Columbus altogether might not be good, but he certainly needs to be downgraded to a minor explorer. He is also responsible for some horrors on this continent.
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You're nuts? Christopher Columbus was one of histories great explorers, navigators and naval Admirals. He was a complex man with many failings but the should not cloud over the mans greatness but rather his accomplishments, actions and failures should be taught on the whole.
 
Damocles said:
I still find it incredible that Texas teachers' unions are in control of pretty much the entire nation's text books.
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No, they aren't. Texas' board of education is. Thankfully, the nutcase who was trying to insert propaganda into textbooks was recently thrown off the board.
 
Dixie said:
I don't think you have to worry about that, about the only context 'intelligent design' can be taught in public schools, is maybe in psychology classes, when referring to crazy people who believe in a sky god! The LIBERALS have been in complete control of our educational system, ever since they got their grubby agenda-driven little hands on it!

I think our children should be taught the truth, and the facts! PERIOD! End of discussion... no further clarification needed or required! Whatever the "subject" is, our education should include as much information from as many sides as possible, MORE information, not LESS! There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching the fundamentally different perspectives and opinions regarding the origins of life. I don't want to dis-include ANY of them! I want children taught ALL of them! It's not about my personal agenda or my personal beliefs, or forcing those on your children! It's about education and knowledge, and bringing ALL the information to the table for discussion!
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You're just trying to politicize our textbooks.
 
Damocles said:
And who populates the Texas State Board of Education? Is it like the vast majorities of the states and populated by former teachers with a continued and direct loyalty towards a certain union? Hmmm?

I find it incredible that somebody can know just enough to pretend that the point that they made was never thought of by another who went long past that portion of the equation. It's like your old algebra teacher telling you to "show your work" after you've already answered the question correctly.
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....and now, time for something completely irrelevant or should I say completely incorrect.

Dude, there are 15 members of the Texas State Board of Education. 10 are Republicans and 5 are Democrats and only 4 of those 15 members are professional educators (past or present, current or former) of those 4 none are members of the Teachers Union. If I counted correctly there are as many Real Estate Brokers on the Texas State Board of Education as there are professional educators.

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?id=3803

So much for Dixie's and yours conspiracy theories on "Liberals" and "Teachers Unions" influencing Texas education standards.
 
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Dixie said:
And I stand by my statements of TRUTH... If we haven't dug up every layer of fossil remains for all of Earth's history, how the hell can we CONCLUDE anything? Indeed, it DOES take an IQ of 75 or lower, to maintain a position to the contrary! I don't want kids taught that humans and dino roamed the earth together, that is not what I ever have said! I would like for them to be taught that we can never be "conclusive" with regard to all the facts, because there is FAR MORE WE DON'T KNOW for certain, than things we DO! We don't have all the information, we probably never will! Therefore, we can't CONCLUDE a damn thing! We can guess... we can speculate... we can theorize... but we simply can not ever KNOW with complete certainty.
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You're knowledge of epistemology is on the level of kindergartner, Dixie.
 
NigelTufnel said:
You obviously haven't bothered to see whether the Texas Board of Eduction is "populated by former teachers" let alone determined whether the members have "a continued and direct loyalty towards a certain union."

In fact, the fifteen member board has a grand total of 6 current or former teachers. So, no, it isn't "populated by former teachers." And of those six current or former teachers, two of them are Democrats, the other 4 are Republicans. So I question whether six teachers have "a continued and direct loyalty towards a certain union" as you assert.

Moreover, the Board as a whole is composed of 10 Republicans and 5 Democrats. That's why get loony shit like the Board contemplating whether intelligent design should be taught in Texas schools (and be in textbooks for the entire nation).
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Link?

Forget it, here it is:

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?id=3803

And you are wrong about the number of educators on that board. My guess is you didn't count members that would be members of the union but were not directly teachers.

These two most likely:
Terri Leo (R) - Case Worker for Special Needs children in Education.
Geraldine "Tincy" Miller (R) - Reading specialist for Children with Dyslexia.

You also failed to mention that 8 being educators, of those who are not educators how many "Ds" are there?

Another bit of interesting information from the bios are those who are not teachers themselves, but are married to a teacher.

You should hear the otherwise conservative dude that sits nearby at work pushing the union because the teachers' union helped them so much...

Seriously you should go out more. My wife is a reading specialist for special needs kids, she is most certainly an educator. (Although she is more conservative than I and fills out the paperwork to not include her in the union each year.) She works with those case workers, who are also educators and members of the union...

So, 8 of 15 are either former or currently educators. Of the 7 left more than 1 is married to a teacher (according to their bios) and 3 of those who are left that do not mention their spouses positions are Democrats...

I think my guesses about the Texas State BOE hold out.
 
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