Tesla vs Volt

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It does indicate a severe taste deficiency, if not one of intelligence.

Exactly, not only does he choose to live in a shit hole, but that shit hole of a state is located adjacent to an even bigger shit hole of a state. The stench emanating from that part of the country should be enough to drive the intelligent people out of the state, leaving the morons behind. Need proof... See Mutt and every other Ohioan who still lives there.

 

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Haters gonna hate. But that's fine with me. I'll sit here, enjoy my awesome city that everyone is too much of a bloody vag to visit because they saw a 30 second video of youtube of the ghetto and extrapolated it to be the whole city. Means less proles on the roads (which typically flow at a comfortable 85mph).

when you are the only one on the road, why drive so slow? Puss.

 

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Meh, Teslas a vastly superior vehicle but the Volt will probably rule cause like people can actually afford to own one. What's a Tesla go for now? $125,000? Did I tell you I turned down an opportunity to work as a project manager at Tesla's northern Cali plant?

LOL... and who can afford the tiny little over priced Volt? If the government subsidy didn't exist, that piece of shit would not be sold.

 

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Exactly, not only does he choose to live in a shit hole, but that shit hole of a state is located adjacent to an even bigger shit hole of a state. The stench emanating from that part of the country should be enough to drive the intelligent people out of the state, leaving the morons behind. Need proof... See Mutt and every other Ohioan who still lives there.

Ya know the chief irony here is with all the assholes like you in Colorado you'd think it would be the one to stink to high heaven. Go figure, huh?

 

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The point of the thread wasn't to compare the two with regards to quality. Personally I don't give two shots about that.

The point is that they are both in financial trouble. It would appear Tesla is in more trouble because unless I am missing something their entire business model is base on an electric car geared toward the 1%. It has always been a challenge to make money selling to the top 1%. At least government motors sells other types of cars so other than a PR mess the Dolt won't kill them unless they foolishly cling to the failed venture.

Arguing over which is better; the volt or tesla is like trying to decide who the skinniest kid in fat camp is.

 

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Ya know the chief irony here is with all the assholes like you in Colorado you'd think it would be the one to stink to high heaven. Go figure, huh?

Touche

 

[Mott the Hoople]

LOL... and who can afford the tiny little over priced Volt? If the government subsidy didn't exist, that piece of shit would not be sold.

Neither would have the civic or the corola when they first came out but Japanese government subsidies permitted them to survive while their companies developed them. We know how that turned out.

 

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Neither would have the civic or the corola when they first came out but Japanese government subsidies permitted them to survive while their companies developed them. We know how that turned out.

true, but those cars are actually well designed. They are not tiny little over priced pieces of shit.

 

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Neither would have the civic or the corola when they first came out but Japanese government subsidies permitted them to survive while their companies developed them. We know how that turned out.

So because a country punishes its citizens to benefit a sector our country should punish our citizens?

 

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true, but those cars are actually well designed. They are not tiny little over priced pieces of shit.

Yea, actually they were. They were little cigar boxes on wheels and god help you if you got in an accident. They were fairly reliable and fuel efficient but grossly unsafe by today's standards and getting parts was difficult as they had to be ordered and shipped and parts cost substantially more than on their American counterparts. That changed as they developed the cars for the American market and American roads and actually started building plants here but that didn't happen till the early 80's.

 

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So because a country punishes its citizens to benefit a sector our country should punish our citizens?

Boy that sure sounds like ideological nonsense to me. By subsidizing Nissan, Honda and Toyota the Japanese goverment helped grow them into some of the largest Automobile manufacturers in the world putting literally millions of people to work in high paying jobs. It was an excellent example of private/public sector strategic cooperation. Hell the technology we're using right now to discuss this subject is an excellent example of technology transfer from the public to the private sector. You ideologues seem to want to cut your nose off to spite your face.

 

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If I am lying about volt sales then GM is lying about them. They set their sales targets not me.

Traitor because I think the volt was a foolish idea? Nice touch of hyperbole

Is FactsRMissing now whining about Hyperbole?

Seriously?

The same guy who refuses to discuss our President without resorting to the most ridiculous name calling now wants to whine about "hyperbole"?

He's just another little Tightie Rightie whining "do as I say and not as I do"

It's no wonder everyone refers to him as FactsRMissing.

 

[hazlnut]

I apologize if you didn't understand

Your post had no point of view.

You copy pasted something from Drudge and now just look stupid when we ask you to explain.

Stop pretending to have an average intelligence. IQ 65 doesn't have to define you. The circus is always hiring.

 

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Boy that sure sounds like ideological nonsense to me. By subsidizing Nissan, Honda and Toyota the Japanese goverment helped grow them into some of the largest Automobile manufacturers in the world putting literally millions of people to work in high paying jobs. It was an excellent example of private/public sector strategic cooperation. Hell the technology we're using right now to discuss this subject is an excellent example of technology transfer from the public to the private sector. You ideologues seem to want to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Nothing ideological about it at all. It is just simple basic economics. You just choose to ignore it. Unfortunately in the real world you can't. I notice that you didn't disagree that Japan essentially punishe it's citizenry. Thanks for your concession

 

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Nothing ideological about it at all. It is just simple basic economics. You just choose to ignore it. Unfortunately in the real world you can't. I notice that you didn't disagree that Japan essentially punishe it's citizenry. Thanks for your concession

No concession on my part. I'm simply saying that once again you don't know what you're talking about.

 

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Is Tesla a GM car? Sorry, but I'm much more familiar with the Volt. I'm about to go Google it, but I figured I'd ask anyway, and not pretend like I have all the info on this debate...

 

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No concession on my part. I'm simply saying that once again you don't know what you're talking about.

I know exactly what I am talking about. You like government intervention as long as you support what they are intervening on. I don't doubt that Japan helped its car manufacturers and by any definition it was a success by growing the car business. I don't deny that gobblement can do those things. The question is does it ultimately hurt the citizenry as a whole and I would argue yes. Because in the end, Japan is punishing its citizens to prop up a specific business. Japan is essentially picking winners and losers. Much like the US did with GM and Chrysler. Now you applaud those actions. You think it is just swell and by employing cognitive dissonance you can talk yourself into anything.

But, in the end the citizens are screwed because not only do they pay for those subsidies with their tax dollars, the things THEY purchase are kept artificially high. So how does that help them? From where I sit, Japan has been propping up their car industry and they have had a lost decade. If you want to define success in the narrow constraints of the car industry then fine. But that is a myopic view.

I get it, you don't trust the free market because you don't trust individuals. Yet you trust bureaucrats made up of "individuals" to make better decisions for 350 million people. I guess the fact that it has never worked in all of human history to create prosperity why stop right?

 

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Meh, Teslas a vastly superior vehicle but the Volt will probably rule cause like people can actually afford to own one. What's a Tesla go for now? $125,000? Did I tell you I turned down an opportunity to work as a project manager at Tesla's northern Cali plant?

The Tesla Model S Signature Performance runs just under $110k with bells & whistles. The Model S Signature runs in the mid $80k range.

 

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The Tesla Model S Signature Performance runs just under $110k with bells & whistles. The Model S Signature runs in the mid $80k range.

Soon the libtards will be squealing for subsidies because it isn't fair that the po folk can't afford them

 

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Is Tesla a GM car? Sorry, but I'm much more familiar with the Volt. I'm about to go Google it, but I figured I'd ask anyway, and not pretend like I have all the info on this debate...

Tesla is an entirely new car manufacturer.

http://www.teslamotors.com/

This is a video of a visit to a dealership and a test drive. Its a little long (50 min) but has some excellent info and you can see the real world of the Tesla.