Tesla Semi-truck stops would consume the electricity of a small town

Into the Night said:
Neither the US nor the UK is spending all of its money on war. Socialism does not create wealth. It steals it. Only capitalism creates wealth.
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What percent of the populace does our bankrupt capitalist system create wealth for? And how much of it stays in the area where it was created? No system works unless you hold the crooks accountable.
 
Primavera said:
Tesla Semi-truck stops would consume the electricity of a small town
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Welcome to the real world. In the real world, we spend 60% of our energy on moving things, 30% on heating/cooling things, and 10% on everything else. So yes, our trucks take up a lot of energy. This is nothing new.

ExpressLane said:
Just hook a windmill to them. :palm:
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The great thing about electricity is it is completely source neutral. You can hook up windmills, or even diesel generators.
 
Walt said:
Welcome to the real world. In the real world, we spend 60% of our energy on moving things, 30% on heating/cooling things, and 10% on everything else. So yes, our trucks take up a lot of energy. This is nothing new.



The great thing about electricity is it is completely source neutral. You can hook up windmills, or even diesel generators.
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National Grid know a fuckton more than you about electricity grids, Salty.

A surge in EV charging demand, especially of the megawatt kind required for electric trucks like the Tesla Semi, would overwhelm the US grid, warns utility company National Grid Plc. Their numbers show that the electrification of just one regular gas station would put a strain on the grid equivalent to that of a sports stadium in 2030.
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Primavera said:
National Grid know a fuckton more than you about electricity grids, Salty.
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Well, let's start with who National Grid is, and who they are not. They are a British company that is responsible for the downstream of the English and Wales national grid. To diversify, they have invested in some power generation in the USA, but they are not responsible for our national grid, and in fact we do not have a national grid. That is right, there is no single US grid. It does not exist, so their claims about it are pure fantasy.

But our multiple grids are not able to handle an all electric transportation system... Much like our roads were not able to handle a trucking network 80 years ago. We modernized them, and now we do just fine. We could modernize our electrical grid...

Or not. Large generators will usually be more efficient than small mobile engines, and it is easier to capture pollution if you do not have to worry about moving the engine... Not to mention that electric motors turn off when not needed, saving from idling. You can literally burn all the diesel you would have burned in the trucks in the station, and generate electricity which will be more efficient and less polluting.

The nice part about electricity is it is source neutral. I do not know, nor care what the source of the electricity lighting my house is.
 
Walt said:
Well, let's start with who National Grid is, and who they are not. They are a British company that is responsible for the downstream of the English and Wales national grid. To diversify, they have invested in some power generation in the USA, but they are not responsible for our national grid, and in fact we do not have a national grid. That is right, there is no single US grid. It does not exist, so their claims about it are pure fantasy.

But our multiple grids are not able to handle an all electric transportation system... Much like our roads were not able to handle a trucking network 80 years ago. We modernized them, and now we do just fine. We could modernize our electrical grid...

Or not. Large generators will usually be more efficient than small mobile engines, and it is easier to capture pollution if you do not have to worry about moving the engine... Not to mention that electric motors turn off when not needed, saving from idling. You can literally burn all the diesel you would have burned in the trucks in the station, and generate electricity which will be more efficient and less polluting.

The nice part about electricity is it is source neutral. I do not know, nor care what the source of the electricity lighting my house is.
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Specious waffle as usual, there's no end to your bullshit. If you really think that National Grid are not qualified to assess the situation then you're an even more of a fool than I'd already imagined.
 
Primavera said:
Specious waffle as usual, there's no end to your bullshit. If you really think that National Grid are not qualified to assess the situation then you're an even more of a fool than I'd already imagined.
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The USA does not have a national grid.

Maybe we need one. You should suggest it as we improve our grids.
 
Phantasmal said:
Texas has it’s own grid and it has caused a lot of problems as a result.
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Our grids were great for the 1930's and even the 1940's. They were average for the 1950's-1970's. The last few decades they have been below average. Texas has been leading the way into having an embarrassing grid.

If we modernize, we can not just have a great grid full of new technologies, but we will have the industry to sell new grid technologies to the rest of the world. It would be a win/win/win situation.

I honestly cannot understand why some people are arguing for a hundred year old grid.
 
Walt said:
Our grids were great for the 1930's and even the 1940's. They were average for the 1950's-1970's. The last few decades they have been below average. Texas has been leading the way into having an embarrassing grid.

If we modernize, we can not just have a great grid full of new technologies, but we will have the industry to sell new grid technologies to the rest of the world. It would be a win/win/win situation.

I honestly cannot understand why some people are arguing for a hundred year old grid.
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I confounds me, too.
 
Primavera said:
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This ought not to come as a surprise to anyone conversant with the technology.

Tesla Semi truck stops would consume the electricity of small town USA as launch event scheduled for December 1

A utility company has run the numbers and warns that the US grid can't provide the charging power for all the upcoming electric trucks like the Tesla Semi that will be released on December 1. The electrification of a typical gas station would demand the amount needed for a sports stadium, while a regular truck stop would need the electricity of a small town.

A surge in EV charging demand, especially of the megawatt kind required for electric trucks like the Tesla Semi, would overwhelm the US grid, warns utility company National Grid Plc. Their numbers show that the electrification of just one regular gas station would put a strain on the grid equivalent to that of a sports stadium in 2030.

A common truck stop full of Tesla Semis or similar electric rigs, on the other hand, will have the electricity consumption of a small US town by 2035, while a highway plaza electric truck and car stop will need the power of an industrial plant by 2045.

The issue is not with the amount needed, as even in the worst-case scenario with rapid passenger and freight vehicle electrification, the global electricity demand would only be up 15% by 2040, but rather the speed and output that the charge needs to be delivered with.

The Tesla Semi has a 82,000 lbs (37,195 kg) Gross Weight which it can truck along for up to 500 miles (804 km) on a charge, and its up to 1MWh battery estimate can recover 70% of its capacity in 30 minutes of charging. Tesla wants to solve the grid load problem by topping up the Semi at exclusive Megacharger stations that will be powered by solar energy. One such Megacharger, for instance, is built at the Modesto factory of the Semi's first customer - Pepsi - and Tesla will be holding a dedicated launch event to celebrate the first Semi truck deliveries there on December 1.

Just like its Superchargers and newfangled North American Charging Standard, though, Tesla's Semi truck Megachargers will also have a competitor in the face of the 3.75MW Megawatt Charging Standard (MCS) for heavy-duty electric vehicles whose documentation is expected to be codified by the respective certification bodies in 2024.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla...-event-scheduled-for-December-1.668564.0.html
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I notice you conveniently omitted this pesky fact. Gee I wonder why?

"A common truck stop full of Tesla Semis or similar electric rigs, on the other hand, will have the electricity consumption of a small US town by 2035, while a highway plaza electric truck and car stop will need the power of an industrial plant by 2045."

:bigthink:

Just another doomsday prediction that fails.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
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Sounds expensive.

Maybe just follow China's lead and put coal fired generators at each truckstop.
Coal is cheap and plentiful and the power generating equipment is quick and easy to produce !
 
Celticguy said:
its not my fault people fail to realize that batteries cannot solve everything.
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I'll help you. Primavera wants you to believe the truck stops will consume electricity the equivalent of a small city IMMEDIATELY in Dec. That is wrong. The company warned that it will occur on or around 2035. By then the grids will be fully upgraded.
 
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