Tesla Model S launched! Finally we see what the future of electric cars can be.

Rune said:
Why?
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because real world isn't the perfectly flat terrain implicit in the calculations presented. Too bad you are so inept at math that you can not figure out how hills and turns would cause drag not accounted for in the calculation.

LOL why?
 
KissingCommies said:
It's basically down to the difference between turbines and internal combustion engines. Cars are forced to use ICE's, just because of their size. There were some experiments with putting small turbines in cars, but there were many reasons that never worked out. However, power plants are free to use large, extremely efficient turbines, utilizing the most efficient possible technologies no matter what the size, and electric cars can tap into that with only a small amount of waste.

If you are concerned about global warming, this reduces emissions significantly even if the plant in your area burns fossil fuels. If you are concerned about national security, we can use energy sources like hydro that are contained inside of America, and America also has some of the largest coal reserves in the entire world, so our transportation infrastructure would no longer be subject to the whims and good graces of the middle east and downright enemies like Venezuala. That alone justifies society at large favoring this sort of technology. If you are just a cynical fuck and truly don't give a shit about any of this, then this saved energy does obviously represent a large saving to you.
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This!
 
\\()// said:

Not according to some...

“Although Tesla say it will do 200 miles we have worked out that on our track it will run out after just 55 miles and if it does run out, it is not a quick job to charge it up again,” Clarkson said in commentary.


http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/02/tesla-vs-top-gear/
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That was an infamous case of bad journalism. Clarkson basically lied, he ran the test on an already signifigantly drained Tesla. I am amazed that you don't know about this.
 
tinfoil said:
OH BOY! drive 4 hours wait half an hour. Doubly awesome. Must be the greatest car ever. How many times can the batteries be charged before they lose efficiency? Have you ever tried using battery powered tools. I assure you the batteries do not deliver good power for the last half of the battery life. I can't imagine anyone but an idiot trusting that the car will drive the same when the battery is fully charged and when it nears the end of the cycle. LOL we'll see you on the road, buddy. You'll be the guy looking for a tow truck so you'll be easy to spot
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So if you often drive for trips that take more than 4 hours, this isn't the car for you. It's been years since I've driven that far, I definitely don't do it often, and I'd likely be able to get another car for it if I ever wanted to. You'd usually take fly if you were driving thousands of miles anyway. You are really obsessing over very tiny edge cases.
 
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A Tesla doesn't have to stand idle to be "bricked", and the company is lying about the issue.

Tesla is now facing at least five problems, all of which are of their own making: 1. Tesla is deceiving themselves, or us.

Tesla calls “bricking” an “unfounded rumor”.

Yet here is a written letter from Tesla’s VP of Worldwide Service J. Joost de Vries where he states for a fact that a car had “complete discharge (and therefore complete failure) of your battery pack” and offers to “replace the complete battery pack at a price of around $40,000.”


So Tesla thinks bricking is an unfounded rumor, but one that definitely happens.

How does that make any sense? I don’t know and I’m not sure they do either.

2. Tesla won’t disclose even basic information.

Why not say how many bricked Roadsters there’ve been?

Why not just disclose this so that customers, investors, partners, and other stakeholders can have peace of mind on the matter — “Only seven bricks? Well, that was just 0.3% of the cars after all, and they’ve made a lot of strides on the matter since then.”


The logical guess is either they’re being paranoid or the number is bigger than we think.

For example, a Tesla owner told me about another brick in a barn in Wyoming (despite having the automatic warning system Tesla mentioned), more details cropped up about the “Japan” brick (a used car buyer who ergo never got Tesla’s verbal warnings nor signed a disclosure form), and, intriguingly, former Napster Chairman & CEO John Fanning commented on a TechCrunch post saying that he too was aware of another Tesla Roadster brick:


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Fanning wouldn’t confirm who he was talking about, but there’s definitely one person he knows who has a Forbes List friend who owned a Tesla Roadster.

3. Tesla tracks their customers’ location.

As mentioned in my original article, Tesla’s Service Manager stated that Tesla had activated a customer’s GPS in hopes of locating the customer’s vehicle before it bricked.

That might be acceptable — except the service manager also stated Tesla doesn’t tell customers about this tracking.

How is that acceptable?

Tesla logs contain GPS locations of a vehicle’s charging locations in many circumstances. Tesla ought to publicize its policies on what happens with this data, as there seems to be some confusion.

4. Tesla leaks their own customers’ private information.

Tesla inexplicably leaked the name of one of my sources – their own customer – and the email he sent Tesla CEO Elon Musk.

The blogger they leaked it to then tried to portray my article as nothing more than a “shakedown” for warranty money, which Tesla in turn promoted on its Twitter feed:



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This is how Tesla treats its customer’s privacy?

If you complain about Tesla, they feel entitled to leak your name and impugn your motives?

It’s hard to imagine any other $3.5 billion company so backhandedly smearing an individual customer, regardless of what that customer had said or done.

5. Tesla expects more of their customers than they do of their CEO.

Ah, “Plug It In”.

In other words, “RTFM”. Why in the world would anyone ever leave their car with less than 10% charge?

Or ever use an extension cord? After all, this form they’ve had buyers sign so explicitly says not to do either of those. Every owner should know better than that, according to their post.


Well, watch as Tesla CEO Elon Musk tells Jay Leno that the Tesla Roadster “doesn’t actually care about the state of charge”, “you can leave it at 5%”, and if you ever want to plug it in, “you just need an extension cord” — exactly the kind of behavior Tesla would later say is unwarrantied “neglect”.

Elon’s tips for voiding your warranty start just on the 3 minute mark.






When I look over all these self-inflicted problems, I’m left with the feeling that Tesla simply isn’t the mature, open, and honest company that ought to be leading the electric vehicle charge.



http://theunderstatement.com/post/18456614822/five-problems-for-tesla-motors
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Are you being paid? This is wierd and obsessive.
 
WinterBorn said:
Battery powered tools can be dependable and powerful. Last year my company started using battery powered drills to drill utility poles for mounting hardware to hold lines. They work all day and have all the torque needed. Battery technology has come a long way.

I'll see you on the road. While your in line at the pumps, I'll be cruising on by.
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Batteries lasting all day? LOL sounds about right for union slugs like you!
Sorry, buddy, but as a professional carpenter I've seen every kind of cordless tool. Batteries rarely hold up for 5 mins of continued work. Now, I know you union guys move slow, but you're dreaming if think I'm buying your story.
 
tinfoil said:
Batteries lasting all day? LOL sounds about right for union slugs like you!
Sorry, buddy, but as a professional carpenter I've seen every kind of cordless tool. Batteries rarely hold up for 5 mins of continued work. Now, I know you union guys move slow, but you're dreaming if think I'm buying your story.
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I have never been a member of ANY union. And I am not talking about hourly wage construction workers. I am talking about subcontractors working on production. They get paid according to what they accomplish.

Don't buy my story. I am not selling anything anyway. I am telling you what I have seen and experienced.
 
tinfoil said:
Batteries lasting all day? LOL sounds about right for union slugs like you!
Sorry, buddy, but as a professional carpenter I've seen every kind of cordless tool. Batteries rarely hold up for 5 mins of continued work. Now, I know you union guys move slow, but you're dreaming if think I'm buying your story.
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You're clearly high as a kite.
 
tinfoil said:
Batteries lasting all day? LOL sounds about right for union slugs like you!
Sorry, buddy, but as a professional carpenter I've seen every kind of cordless tool. Batteries rarely hold up for 5 mins of continued work. Now, I know you union guys move slow, but you're dreaming if think I'm buying your story.
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I am currently not working on an aerial job, but I think this is the drill we bought (or similar to it.

http://www.toolreporter.com/2012/03/milwaukee-m18-fuel-hammer-drill-2604-22-put-test/

"But CopTool came across American Electric Power – a company that, on a regular basis, drills holes into utility poles. The ones made to withstand the elements and Lord knows what else? Not exactly easy to get through. They use a number of a different cordless drills and have generally found that they can only get five or six holes on a single charge with an 18v tool (and you were complaining about your battery, these guys must have buckets of them). When Milwaukee announced their M18 Fuel battery solution, AEP was, naturally, interested. Even a few extra holes per charge could make a huge difference over the long term. They were hoping for ten to twelve. What did they get? The M18 Fuel didn’t quit until the thirty-first hole!"
 
WinterBorn said:
So every vehicle you ever owned was suitable for a family vacation? My Jeep Wrangler is a great vehicle. But I certainly wouldn't want to load up the family for a vacation in it.

And where did the 62mph bit come in? No, the people who buy the Model S probably won't be grandma driving slow.
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Forget what I wrote earlier. I was rushed when I made my last response, and didn't take the time to read everything.

If they can make these things affordable and cut down waiting time between charges, I'm all for it.
 
Granule said:
Forget what I wrote earlier. I was rushed when I made my last response, and didn't take the time to read everything.

If they can make these things affordable and cut down waiting time between charges, I'm all for it.
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I respect you for making this post after you read more. Well done.
 
WinterBorn said:
Ok, so we have established that the Tesla Model S, as things stand right now, is not great for long family vacations and you can't leave it in extended parking at the airport.

Neither seems like an issue to me. I doubt I have ever had my primary vehicle sit still for more than 48 hours. With the money I save based on the difference between the cost of electricity and the cost of gas, I'll fly to my vacation destination and rent a car. I'm sure one of my kids would take me to the airport for teh opportunity to drive the Tesla for a week or so.
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But Righties can't continue to whine about how Obama won't big oil drill everywhere unless they pooh pooh every single electric/hybrid that comes down the pike.
 
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