terrorists are still winning

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/indefinite-detention-americans_n_3437923.html

The U.S. House of Representatives voted again Thursday to allow the indefinite military detention of Americans, blocking an amendment that would have barred the possibility.

Congress wrote that authority into law in the National Defense Authorization Act two years ago, prompting outrage from civil libertarians on the left and right. President Barack Obama signed the measure, but insisted his administration would never use it.

Supporters of detention argue that the nation needs to be able to arrest and jail suspected terrorists without trial, including Americans on U.S. soil, for as long as there is a war on terror. Their argument won, and the measure was defeated by a vote of 200 to 226.

But opponents, among them the Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), who offered the amendment to end that authority, argued that such detention is a stain on the Constitution that unnecessarily militarizes U.S. law enforcement.

"It is a dangerous step toward executive and military power to allow things like indefinite detention under military control within the U.S.," Smith said. "That's the heart and essence of this issue."
 
It means they have terrorised us into giving up basic freedoms for the hope of security.

The argument could be reasonably made that by their indefinite detention, our hope for security is diminished.

that you can seriously ask this question tells all of us just how much you hate freedom.



They're being indefinitely detained because Congress, specifically the House, refuses to fund trials and close Gitmo.
 
I read this last week and, due to the complete lack of interest here, assumed that i'd imagined it.

Congratulations to the 213 Republicans and 13 Democrats who defeated the motion.

I'm sure that in future years, when their grandchildren ask, "what did you do in the war on terror, gramps?" they will proudly answer, "why, i degraded the freedom of my own countrymen and women, of course."
 
So wait, does that me we can arrest, say, the reps that voted for this? I mean they ARE trying to do great harm to our country through the use of fear by targeting civilians.
 
I read this last week and, due to the complete lack of interest here, assumed that i'd imagined it.

Congratulations to the 213 Republicans and 13 Democrats who defeated the motion.

I'm sure that in future years, when their grandchildren ask, "what did you do in the war on terror, gramps?" they will proudly answer, "why, i degraded the freedom of my own countrymen and women, of course."

Charver we've been very busy between scheduling 007's fights and deciding which totally not-gay poster loves other men's penises most - you act as if we have nothing else to do here.
 
The argument could be reasonably made that by their indefinite detention, our hope for security is diminished.





They're being indefinitely detained because Congress, specifically the House, refuses to fund trials and close Gitmo.

Yes that would be a winning argument Howey! You could also argue that no one can see the future or how this will be used against us.
 
Charver we've been very busy between scheduling 007's fights and deciding which totally not-gay poster loves other men's penises most - you act as if we have nothing else to do here.

Wait, how do we know whether they are really gay or not?
 
Wait, how do we know whether they are really gay or not?

Because after talking about other men's penises and things that men might to with each other penises, they always take pains to reassure us that they are totally not-gay. I mean, you act as if you don't' know any straight men who talk about other men's penises and doing stuff with them all day?
 
The argument could be reasonably made that by their indefinite detention, our hope for security is diminished.
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The argument could be made that they (the lawmakers) are concerned about their own security and couldn't give a fuck about ours.
 
Because after talking about other men's penises and things that men might to with each other penises, they always take pains to reassure us that they are totally not-gay. I mean, you act as if you don't' know any straight men who talk about other men's penises and doing stuff with them all day?

I didn't know you were going to get all logical on me.
 
The name of my song is 'Inconvenient Truth'

From whence did all this government superpower come from that gives it the right to do ANY FUCKING THING it wants to do to America, Americans, and the entire planet?

What granted America such power?
 
The name of my song is 'Inconvenient Truth'

From whence did all this government superpower come from that gives it the right to do ANY FUCKING THING it wants to do to America, Americans, and the entire planet?

What granted America such power?
When you are killing millions by remote control, abusing someone's civil liberties starts getting easy as jaywalking.
 
When you are killing millions by remote control, abusing someone's civil liberties starts getting easy as jaywalking.

But what granted America the superpower to invade sovereign nations and blow up its citizens by remote control?

What granted America the power to kill American citizens at will without even revealing why?

What granted America the right to spy on everyone and disregard every civil liberty?

It's the same authority that has granted America these and many more superpowers that it previously did not have.

What was that authority?

It's called follow the money.
 
But what granted America the superpower to invade sovereign nations and blow up its citizens by remote control?

What granted America the power to kill American citizens at will without even revealing why?

What granted America the right to spy on everyone and disregard every civil liberty?

It's the same authority that has granted America these and many more superpowers that it previously did not have.

What was that authority?

It's called follow the money.

You mean it was 9/11 that "granted' (even though it didn't, but it was taken) America the right to do these things?
 
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