Terrible news for the Creation Science museum (and Republicans)

Darth Omar said:
So, you *know* there was a ‘spark of life’ lol.

Don’t you owe yourself an apology? Which are you, btw? Mentally ill or just retarded?
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Yes.

Am I wrong to think that the average person realizes that at some point in the past there was no life on Earth and then there was?

Dude, people can decide for themselves if the fucking moron, retard or nutjob is more you or more me.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yes.

Am I wrong to think that the average person realizes that at some point in the past there was no life on Earth and then there was?

Dude, people can decide for themselves if the fucking moron, retard or nutjob is more you or more me.
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Yes is the wrong answer lol. It was an either/or question.
 
Cypress said:
As to keeping an open mind, I take a back seat to nobody.

I started an entire thread on the origin life premised on an openness to all the possibilities of causation:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?162896-Origin-of-Life&p=4273023#post4273023
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Alright.

Ironically and coincidentally, the theory that the Covid virus arising via an evolutionary process has been ruled out. Something about an improbable arrangement of codons. I don’t understand that part sufficiently to say they are right or wrong.

What does the evidence point to in this instance?
 
Darth Omar said:
Alright.

Ironically and coincidentally, the theory that the Covid virus arising via an evolutionary process has been ruled out. Something about an improbable arrangement of codons. I don’t understand that part sufficiently to say they are right or wrong.

What does the evidence point to in this instance?
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Something? You don't know? Do you have a link that knows? Do you think it's honest to pass off opinions as fact?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yes.

Am I wrong to think that the average person realizes that at some point in the past there was no life on Earth and then there was?

Dude, people can decide for themselves if the fucking moron, retard or nutjob is more you or more me.
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I think your English speaker of average intelligence knew you were referring to the emergence of primitive life billions of years ago.
 
Darth Omar said:
Alright.

Ironically and coincidentally, the theory that the Covid virus arising via an evolutionary process has been ruled out. Something about an improbable arrangement of codons. I don’t understand that part sufficiently to say they are right or wrong.

What does the evidence point to in this instance?
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If you are trying to imply COVID 19 was manufactured artificially in a Chinese laboratory, you are going to have to do better than that.
 
Cypress said:
If you are trying to imply COVID 19 was manufactured artificially in a Chinese laboratory, you are going to have to do better than that.
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That doesn’t answer the question.

Humor me. If known evolutionary mechanisms can’t account for the origin of the Covid virus—what is the proper conclusion?
 
Into the Night said:
So you believe in the Church of Abiogenesis. Meh.
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^ I am sure you thought that was clever when you typed it.

At some point prior to 3.8 billion years ago, life did not exist on Earth.

At some point subsequent to 3.8 billion years ago, primitive life emerged and did exist.

This is established by fossil and isotopic evidence.

Abiogenesis, emergence (take your pick of buzzwords) is a fact by the standards of scientific inquiry.

The only question now concerns the mechanism or cause for emergence.
 
Cypress said:
^ I am sure you thought that was clever when you typed it.

At some point prior to 3.8 billion years ago, life did not exist on Earth.

At some point subsequent to 3.8 billion years ago, primitive life emerged and did exist.

This is established by fossil and isotopic evidence.

Abiogenesis, emergence (take your pick of buzzwords) is a fact by the standards of scientific inquiry.

The only question now is the mechanism or cause for emergence.
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No doubt he did. I've never doubted INT's intelligence, only his sanity.

As this thread proves, there are sane dumbasses and intelligent nutjobs along with intelligent, sane and educated people such as yourself.
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, I’ll do it for you lol.

It would point to an intelligent agency.
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If one third of all white, American males are idiots and, between you, Cypress and me, both Cypress and I are college-educated, successful males, what does that point to?
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, I’ll do it for you lol.

It would point to an intelligent agency.
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Virus mutation and viral evolution under conventional conditions is a firmly established scientific fact.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If COVID 19 was artificially genetically engineered in a laboratory, let's see the peer reviewed reasearch and credible studies from reputable health agencies demonstrating it.
 
Cypress said:
Virus mutation and viral evolution under conventional conditions is a firmly established scientific fact.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If COVID 19 was artificially genetically engineered in a laboratory, let's see the peer reviewed reasearch and credible studies from reputable health agencies demonstrating it.
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You’re being evasive.

Let’s stipulate *for the sake of argument* that evolution cannot account for the origin of virus because of its genetic make up.

From that, what do you conclude?
 
Darth Omar said:
You’re being evasive.

Let’s stipulate *for the sake of argument* that evolution cannot account for the origin of virus because of its genetic make up.

From that, what do you conclude?
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^^ The take away here is you do not have a body of peer reviewed science or studies from reputable international health experts concluding COVID 19 was artificially genetically engineered in a laboratory.

You should have just said you have no credible evidence for your claim before wasting everyone's time.

At least with abiogenesis, we start with the premise it is a scientific fact. Primitive single celled life actually did emerge on earth in the remote past.
 
Darth Omar said:
You’re being evasive.

Let’s stipulate *for the sake of argument* that evolution cannot account for the origin of virus because of its genetic make up.

From that, what do you conclude?
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Dumbass, it's either naturally made or artificially made. Get a clue, Einstein: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html
COVID-19 is a disease caused by a virus called SARS-CoV-2. Most people with COVID-19 have mild symptoms, but some people can become severely ill. Although most people with COVID-19 get better within weeks of illness, some people experience post-COVID conditions. Post-COVID conditions are a wide range of new, returning, or ongoing health problems people can experience more than four weeks after first being infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. Older people and those who have certain underlying medical conditions are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. Vaccines against COVID-19 are safe and effective.


If anyone has convincing evidence that the Chinese created COVID-19 and unleashed it on the world, please tell Donald Trump because he'd really, really like to know. The same with his minions, the Qless.
 
Darth Omar said:
Let’s stipulate *for the sake of argument* that evolution cannot account for the origin of virus because of its genetic make up.
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So for the sake of argument, you want us to assume the logically impossible? Well then maybe it was unicorns and vampires... Or something.

An artificially created virus would use the mechanisms of evolution to make them, so it could not be impossible.
 
Darth Omar said:
Humor me. If known evolutionary mechanisms can’t account for the origin of the Covid virus—what is the proper conclusion?
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If science cannot account for Covid-19, then the science is wrong, and must be revised. For instance, gene drift was not accounted for in the original evolutionary science, and so evolutionary science was revised.

If there is no way for science to account for Covid-19, then I guess it must be magic/supernatural/etc. But that is a logical trap. If the only way to explain Covid-19 is magic, then magic will be incorporated into science, and then again science will explain Covid-19.

What you are desperately looking for is a simple logical way to claim that Covid-19 is man made. The problem here is man made is using evolutionary mechanisms. Man made would push it towards improbable results, but that is far from simple logic to prove. You would need the experts that you have called for murdering to prove it was man made.

As for improbable results, spreading around the world is in the general sense a probable result for evolution. It also is not a huge killer, like humans would want to create. I could go on, but your argument is looking flimsy at best.
 
Walt said:
So for the sake of argument, you want us to assume the logically impossible? Well then maybe it was unicorns and vampires... Or something.

An artificially created virus would use the mechanisms of evolution to make them, so it could not be impossible.
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Opie is dancing around Trump's conspiracy theory that the virus was genetically weaponized** by the Chinese in Wuhan and then, take your pick, either released on purpose (an act of war) or it got away from them. Either way the Qless seek to use this theory to release Trump from his responsibilities as President in late 2019 and all of 2020 per the US response to the COVID Pandemic.

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** notice how they all know how to spell that word and even use it correctly, albeit often falsely.
 
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