Terrible news for the Creation Science museum (and Republicans)

[Cypress]

Agreed on supporting the ideology that the Universe is unlimited in many ways. Some people want to oversimplify it to either/or, but that's not a true picture.

In this case, just because we don't know the spark of life on Earth doesn't mean we can't study life on Earth, past and present, or look for it off planet.

It's a mystery to me why some people have no problem limiting God in defense of their religious beliefs.

nice work

Just in my lifetime we have cracked the secrets of the atomic nucleus, mapped the human genome, and put a man on the moon.

Should we just throw up our hands in hopeless despair that we can never have insight into the origin of life 3.8 billion years ago, as Rightwing bible thumpers would have us do?

Not on your bloody life.

 

[BidenPresident]

You don't get to speak for all physicists. You only get to speak for you. You are not God.

shut up

 

[Into the Night]

When you get conflicting evidence, you do further experiments to collect more evidence.

No. Experiments are tests against the theory in the first place. Once a theory is falsified, no further experiments are necessary.

 

[Into the Night]

Why can't natural selection apply to abiogenesis? Or stellar evolution? Or anything?

What are you selecting from??? One cell??????

 

[AProudLefty]

No. Experiments are tests against the theory in the first place. Once a theory is falsified, no further experiments are necessary.

Yes. So that theory gets eliminated.

 

[Into the Night]

Natural selection isn't random because it selects for a specific criteria, survival of the fittest. The problem is that what is "fittest" varies with conditions.

Animal species on islands that branched from continental members select for smaller sizes since smaller versions eat and drink less on an island. The competition is heavily reduced to the point that environment overtakes hostile threats where size and strength are benefits of most importance. Some call it "insular dwarfism". It's still an example of evolution through adaptation.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/08/island-living-can-shrink-humans
Living on an island can have strange effects. On Cyprus, hippos dwindled to the size of sea lions. On Flores in Indonesia, extinct elephants weighed no more than a large hog, but rats grew as big as cats. All are examples of the so-called island effect, which holds that when food and predators are scarce, big animals shrink and little ones grow. But no one was sure whether the same rule explains the most famous example of dwarfing on Flores, the odd extinct hominin called the hobbit, which lived 60,000 to 100,000 years ago and stood about a meter tall.

Now, genetic evidence from modern pygmies on Flores—who are unrelated to the hobbit—confirms that humans, too, are subject to so-called island dwarfing. An international team reports this week in Science that Flores pygmies differ from their closest relatives on New Guinea and in East Asia in carrying more gene variants that promote short stature. The genetic differences testify to recent evolution—the island rule at work. And they imply that the same force gave the hobbit its short stature, the authors say.

If natural selection is in force at all times, how do you get variety in the first place??

 

[AProudLefty]

What are you selecting from??? One cell??????

From other molecules already formed.

 

[Into the Night]

Stellar evolution is governed by physical laws and can only produce patterns like spiral galaxies. Basically, the same process that governs snowflake formation but on a cosmic scale.

Again, NS only works if it has something to select from.

Not all galaxies are spiral galaxies.
Snowflakes are quite unique from each other.

 

[AProudLefty]

No. Experiments are tests against the theory in the first place. Once a theory is falsified, no further experiments are necessary.

Michelson–Morley experiment is one example where it eliminated a theory.

 

[Into the Night]

What deity is being worshipped in the Theory of Evolution religion?

Religion does not require a deity.

 

[BidenPresident]

If natural selection is in force at all times, how do you get variety in the first place??

As Darwin said, diversity is the strength of life.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

nice work

Just in my lifetime we have cracked the secrets of the atomic nucleus, mapped the human genome, and put a man on the moon.

Should we just throw up our hands in hopeless despair that we can never have insight into the origin of life 3.8 billion years ago, as Rightwing bible thumpers would have us do?

Not on your bloody life.

No. They are arguing from a narrow, God-limiting POV. IMO, God's Creation was meant to be studied.

 

[BidenPresident]

Religion does not require a deity.

What does it require?

 

[Into the Night]

Um we're living here on Earth? lol?

Not a proof. Non-sequitur fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I have never been the type of person to think that just because we do not understand something now, means it is permanently beyond our comprehension.

On the other hand, I have the intellectual integrity to consider the possibility that the organization of complex, self-replicating cells from an inert pre-biotic soup may have been the result of an infinitesimally improbable series of chemical and physical reactions, rendering the possibility of life elsewhere in the galaxy remote.

I devoted an entire thread to those, and other insights:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?162896-Origin-of-Life&p=4273023#post4273023

So you believe in the Church of Abiogenesis. Meh.

 

[AProudLefty]

THE SKYNET IS COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Into the Night]

Who said it was a series of random events?

The theory itself.

 

[Into the Night]

I do tend to think that. I think life is an inherent property of something and it can be developed independently elsewhere in the universe.

Then life arrived on Earth through the act of some kind of intelligence. You just stated your belief in the Theory of Creation.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed on supporting the ideology that the Universe is unlimited in many ways. Some people want to oversimplify it to either/or, but that's not a true picture.

In this case, just because we don't know the spark of life on Earth doesn't mean we can't study life on Earth, past and present, or look for it off planet.

It's a mystery to me why some people have no problem limiting God in defense of their religious beliefs.

Who is limiting God? Please describe this limitation, and who is arguing it.

 

[Into the Night]

shut up

No. You are not the king.