Terrible news for the Creation Science museum (and Republicans)

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Quantum physics and quantum fluctuations demonstrates
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quantum physics is pure untestable speculation and thus "demonstrates" absolutely nothing........only scientific experimentation can demonstrate something........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
quantum physics is pure untestable speculation and thus "demonstrates" absolutely nothing........only scientific experimentation can demonstrate something........
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Quantum mechanics is arguably the most thoroughly tested and verified theory in the history of science.

We understand how it works.
We do not precisely understand why it works. But that is true for most scientific theories.
 
Into the Night said:
The 'genetic line' is simply one that is made up. There are several such lines, depending on when you are examining DNA or examining structure, and there are many variations due to personal beliefs and opinions as well.
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Whereas Y-Chromosomal; Adam...THE SINGLE, MALE DONOR OF Y-CHROMOSOMAL- DNA TO EVERY MALE ON EARTH...HAS BEEN WELL ESTABLISHED, GENETICALLY, AS HAS MITCHONDRIAL EVE ,THE SINGLE FEMALE DONOR OF MITOCHONDRIAL DNA TO EVERY FEMALE ON EARTH.

THE MONKEY PEOPLE DO BACKFLIPS TRYING TO "EXPLAIN IT AWAY"...SUCH AS THIS TOTALLY MADEUP "SCENARIO":


" Wait just a second, you say – isn’t the evidence strong that modern humans descend from a population that has never numbered less than about 10,000 individuals (and as such, is a topic of significant theological consideration)? How is it, then, that all humans can share a single woman and single man as commonancestors? The short answer is that all humans do share a single man and single woman as common ancestors – but that these ancestors are not our unique, or sole, ancestors. Rather, they both come from that population of about 10,000 individuals – the evidence for which (and the theological questions it raises) we will discuss in upcoming posts."

https://biologos.org/series/evolution-basics/articles/mitochondrial-eve-and-y-chromosome-adam


UTTER NONSENSE. THE "10,000 INDIVIDUALS" IS A MADEUP WORK OF FICTION....A RANDOMLY CHOSEN NUMBER NEVER EVEN HINTED AT IN THE FOSSIL RECORD. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT, AND WE HAVE NEVER FOUND ANOTHER Y-CHR. ADAM, or MITO. EVE...WHEN THE SIMPLEST PROBABILITY FORMULA WOULD HAVE US FINDING AT LEAST DOZENS...OUT OF "10,000" IN ONE GEOGRAPHIC AREA...
 
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Cypress said:
We are hominids with souped-up chimpanzee brains. Our cognitive capacity has limits. I calculate there is exactly zero chance we are going to know with perfect clarity the answers to all reality, objective or otherwise.


The take-away here is that when religious fundamentalists spike the football and declare victory just because science does not have all the answers, that actually is neither proof nor evidence of a Judeo-Christian god.
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Judeo-Christian god
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No such thing , it is a christian construct

It might seem neighborly, even pluralistic, to include Judaism in a declaration of purported Western values. But in reality this isn’t how the term has functioned, either historically or more recently. Instead, the phrase is used to exclude rather than include. Despite implying that Jews are part of this resurrection of Judeo-Christian values, Trump in no way intends a campaign to Make Hanukkah Great Again. His “Judeo-Christian values” are about protecting Christmas, and about protecting Christians – at the exclusion of others.

The christian religion has nothing to do with Judaism, no matter what christians claim. Both Jews and Muslims look upon Christianity as idolatry having a triune god , If Torah is read in the original Hebrew it is evident the christian translation is misquotes and woeful mistranslation


There’s No Such Thing As Judeo-Christian Values — Especially Not In The GOP.

https://forward.com/scribe/389735/t...o-christian-values-especially-not-in-the-gop/
 
guno said:
No such thing , it is a christian construct

It might seem neighborly, even pluralistic, to include Judaism in a declaration of purported Western values. But in reality this isn’t how the term has functioned, either historically or more recently. Instead, the phrase is used to exclude rather than include. Despite implying that Jews are part of this resurrection of Judeo-Christian values, Trump in no way intends a campaign to Make Hanukkah Great Again. His “Judeo-Christian values” are about protecting Christmas, and about protecting Christians – at the exclusion of others.

The christian religion has nothing to do with Judaism, no matter what christians claim. Both Jews and Muslims look upon Christianity as idolatry having a triune god , If Torah is read in the original Hebrew it is evident the christian translation is misquotes and woeful mistranslation


There’s No Such Thing As Judeo-Christian Values — Especially Not In The GOP.

https://forward.com/scribe/389735/t...o-christian-values-especially-not-in-the-gop/
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Thanks for the intel.

The problem with the Christian translation of the Tanakh is it is not even a direct translation from the original Hebrew. The Old Testament originates from the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Torah.

So when barely educated American bible thumpers are reading their Old Testament, they are not reading the original words and intent.

Translating directly from one language to another results distortion of the original meaning as it is.

The English version of the OT went from Hebrew to Greek to English, with some Latin intermediate steps thrown in for good measure. That is an absolute nightmare of trying to capture the original meaning and intent.

And that is not even accounting for errors in tra transcription from 1,400 years of making hand copies.

The take away is that English version of the OT should probably be taken with a huge grain of salt.
 
Cypress said:
You complained about a problem that does not exist.

Carbon isotope dating would have been useless on samples of this age. Carbon isotopes are only useful to about 50,000 b.p.

They probably used thorium isotopes.

Mitochondrial DNA and genetic studies just prove humans today descended from a small population of homo sapiens originating in Africa. That makes sense because humans have less genetic diversity than onion plants. It does not follow that this proves there was an Adam and Eve.
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No...they guessed. And major anthropologists say that they should not even be calling them "homo sapiens"...I provided the quote....from your link.
 
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Cinnabar said:
From a giant sky daddy working in his cloud filled laboratory where a staff of winged angels are his assistants of course.
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There are two theories...mutually exclusive of each other. Neither is a theory of science.

The Theory of the Big Bang, which describes a Universe that came out of nothing (or a very small point). This theory often builds a paradox by inserting God into having caused the Big Bang, when there is nowhere for any such God to be.
The Theory of the Continuum, which describes a Universe that has always been here, and always will. It has no beginning, and no end.....ever.

Which you believe is really up to you. Both are religions.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
quantum physics is pure untestable speculation and thus "demonstrates" absolutely nothing........only scientific experimentation can demonstrate something........
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WRONG. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Quantum physics is mathematical in nature, but it is also a branch of science.
Experiments are based on observations, and are designed to find the sort of thing you reckon you're going to find. Experiments are biased from the get go.

Science does not require experiments at all. The only thing required of a theory of science is that it be falsifiable, that is, testable by some test that is definable, available, practical to conduct, is specific, and produces a specific result. Sometimes these test take the form of experiments. An experiment is not designed to confirm anything. It is designed to try to break the theory. As long as a theory can withstand such tests, it is part of the body of science.

It is never possible to prove any theory True.
 
Cypress said:
The inference that modern humans evolved from proto-homo sapiens originating at around 300 thousand years ago has nothing to do with agnosticism, atheism, or theism.
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This is not an inference. It is a nonscientific theory. It is known as the Theory of Abiogenesis and is often combined with the Theory of Evolution, also a nonscientific theory.
Both are religions.
 
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