Tea Party members - This is NOT the way to win an argument

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Damocles said:
I don't know. What evidence is there other than somebody saying something in a story?

I know they were protesting, but so were other groups (including the KKK, my bet is that these were that group and not TEA Party protesters).

What evidence is there that these people should be counted TEA Party protesters?
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The KKK was taking part in the Kill The Bill rally? Really? Do you have any evidence of that other than the fact that some protesters were hurling racial epithets at black members of Congress?
 
NigelTufnel said:
The KKK was taking part in the Kill The Bill rally? Really? Do you have any evidence of that other than the fact that some protesters were hurling racial epithets at black members of Congress?
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Their sites are blocked at work (thankfully), but you can look up KKK sites and see the "call to action" if you wish.
 
Damocles said:
I'm not "off message" I simply give solid advice based on successful campaigns of the past on what to do when this stuff comes up. One can both point out that these people are rejected and "stay on message", it is a fallacy to pretend that doing both is impossible.

You, however, have spent three pages trying to get me to shut up.
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It's better to be 100% on message, than 50% correcting nonsense, and 50% on message.

It's not fallacy to mention that there's only finite amounts of time in life, and prioritization is important. You're skewed in your allotments. That's all. You can fix it easily with concerted effort thinking better.
 
AssHatZombie said:
It's better to be 100% on message, than 50% correcting nonsense, and 50% on message.

It's not fallacy to mention that there's only finite amounts of time in life, and prioritization is important. You're skewed in your allotments. That's all. You can fix it easily with concerted effort thinking better.
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You can be as much on message as well as pointing out that the MSM's complicity. In fact, that is what actually has worked in the past. There is no reason to reject effective measures because you are scared that racists might get their feelings hurt.
 
Southern Man said:
Until someone tracks down the folks who did this and finds their true affiliation I'm sticking with this theory, since it makes the most sense.
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Of course it makes the most sense to a partisan hack like yourself.

You are so deluded you'd rather believe some sinister conspiracy rather than believe you've got racist scum populating conservative political rallies.

Sorry, but the theory that makes the most sense is that those doing the spitting and hurling the racial slurs were rank and file conservative attendees of the HCR protest.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Of course it makes the most sense to a partisan hack like yourself.

You are so deluded you'd rather believe some sinister conspiracy rather than believe you've got racist scum populating conservative political rallies.

Sorry, but the theory that makes the most sense is that those doing the spitting and hurling the racial slurs were rank and file conservative attendees of the HCR protest.
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Again, not a conspiracy; more like a small group of SEIU types thought this would be a great idea; like a frat prank. The media and party hacks like you are just going along for the ride.
 
Southern Man said:
Again, not a conspiracy; more like a small group of SEIU types thought this would be a great idea; like a frat prank. The media and party hacks like you are just going along for the ride.
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Oh hey, did ya hear?

That Republican Congressman from Texas who stood up and yelled "baby killer" at Rep Stupak, he wasn't REALLY a Republican!

Seems the SEIU snuck in an EXACT COPY of the guy and he was the one who shouted the offending phrase...all to further discredit the Republican party.

I thought conservatoids were supposed to be all for personal responsibility?
 
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ZappasGuitar said:
U Wana Dik?

Does this mean you might actually be defrosting the ol "icebox" so to speak?
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Knock it off Zappa. You have to wait until dinner, Fatty. Stay the hell out of the icebox!

Until then, do as I told you before and tie a string around that little willy and you won't be asking for a proper dik!
 
Damocles said:
Anyway, now that we all have gone rounds on this...

Winterborn, what exactly made you say that these people were part of the TEA Party movement at all? This assumes that all protesters of this legislation were TEA Party participants and we all know that isn't the reality.
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We don't know that any more than I know that all the protesters WERE members of the Tea Party.

The main point I was making is that the Tea Party Leadership needs to come down against the remarks in the strongest language they can.
 
WinterBorn said:
We don't know that any more than I know that all the protesters WERE members of the Tea Party.

The main point I was making is that the Tea Party Leadership needs to come down against the remarks in the strongest language they can.
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They did.
 
usaloyal2theend said:
Face it. We will never get a fair shake from the Liberal media. Never. Their chief intent and purpose is to make sure this administration wins at any cost and if it means tainting the pool of fair and objective reporting, well they sold themselves out long ago to that.

I want 33 million people to have health insurance, but I don't want it if it means the cost that will be passed on to my children and grandchildren that is reported in the trillions when it all shakes out. I find it infinitely oppressive that the Federal Government will be fining me almost $700 a year for not carrying health insurance if I choose not to do so.

I find it frightening and maddening.


Solitary believes it because he begs to be told what to think and believe by the LM. He's like a baby bird in the nest stretching his scrawny neck begging for the next worm.
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I have said numerous times that I agree with many of the original ideas of the Tea Party movement. I have defended them on numerous occasions. It was not until the had Roy Moore as a featured speaker that I decided their goals had changed from those of the fiscal conservative to those of the social conservatives.

So please don't try and tell anyone what I do or do not want. If you have a contribution to make to the discussion, then feel free to do so. Otherwise you are just continuing with the childish personal attacks of those on this forum who want to discuss issues.
 
Damocles said:
Winterborn...

I'll ask again because the question will be lost in the stupidity of AssHat.

Do you have any evidence that these people were TEA Party participants?
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I have only the news reports, the same as everyone else. If you will look at my posts in this thread, I never said that any of that represented the goals of the Tea Party movement. I also have said repeatedly that the Tea Party leadership needs to step up and speak out against those who shouted the racial remarks as strongly as possible.
 
WinterBorn said:
I have only the news reports, the same as everyone else. If you will look at my posts in this thread, I never said that any of that represented the goals of the Tea Party movement. I also have said repeatedly that the Tea Party leadership needs to step up and speak out against those who shouted the racial remarks as strongly as possible.
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Yeah, I was only repeating because AssHat was doing his best to hide the post in reams of pages so that many would miss the original question.
 
Damocles said:
They did.
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I saw one story where Michael Steele spoke out against them. As of this morning, I hadn't seen any more.

Were there links listed to the leadership speaking out? I didn't see them? Mostly what I saw were personal attacks on me for suggesting that someone should speak against the people who shouted "nigger" at a congressman.
 
WinterBorn said:
I saw one story where Michael Steele spoke out against them. As of this morning, I hadn't seen any more.

Were there links listed to the leadership speaking out? I didn't see them? Mostly what I saw were personal attacks on me for suggesting that someone should speak against the people who shouted "nigger" at a congressman.
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Those weren't from me.
 
WinterBorn said:
I saw one story where Michael Steele spoke out against them. As of this morning, I hadn't seen any more.

Were there links listed to the leadership speaking out? I didn't see them? Mostly what I saw were personal attacks on me for suggesting that someone should speak against the people who shouted "nigger" at a congressman.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...condemns-racial-slurs-hurled-black-lawmakers/

Republican National Chairman Michael Steele and one of the organizers of Saturday's Tea Party rally strongly condemned the racial slurs that some black lawmakers alleged were yelled at them by some health care protesters as they headed for a procedural vote at Capitol Hill.

"I absolutely think it's isolated," Amy Kremer, the grassroots coordinator of the Tea Party Express, told Fox News on Sunday. "It's disgraceful and the people in this movement won't tolerate it because that's not what we're about."
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