Tax Increases Are On the Way For Higher-Income Americans

Tax Increases Are On the Way For Higher-Income Americans
Published: Tuesday, 2 Feb 2010 * 1:02 PM ET Text Size By: Mark Koba
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Larger tax bills are coming for higher-income Americans, if President Obama has his way.

For individuals making $200,000 and up and couples making $250,000 or more a year, they will see their taxes increase in 2011, unless Congress votes to keep the George W. Bush era cuts in place.

In his budget released Monday, Obama said he wanted to let the Bush cuts sunset at the end of 2010, as they are scheduled to do, in order to help cut the bulging deficit.

This would raise the top two income tax rates from 33 percent to 36 percent and from 35 percent to 39.6 percent. The government would reportedly take in $365 billion over the next decade from those increases.

While there's a lot of uncertainty over Obama's budget in Congress, experts say it's pretty clear that the Bush tax cuts will be ending.

"I don't see the Republicans putting up much of a fight to keep the cuts," says Bridget Crawford, professor of law at Pace University. "Obama will be accused of being a big spender but he's just rolling back what was temporary anyway."

Temporary or not, those getting hit by the taxes are not going to like it much, says Ted Lanzaro, a CPA in Connecticut who runs his own accounting firm.

"It's almost crazy to say that people in the higher income levels can't afford it, but paying more taxes at any level is not fun," says Lanzaro. "People ask 'who am I working for, me or the government?' Besides, living in a big city like New York is not cheap, even at the higher income levels."

How much would the tax increase be? That depends on the paycheck—more income means higher taxes.

For example, a couple filing a joint married return that made $250,000 would pay roughly $60,200 this year in federal taxes. Next year, it would go up to about $61,150. For a couple making $400,000 a year, they would pay roughly $76,000 in taxes in 2010 but pay around $78,800 in 2011—an increase of $1,800.

Besides the tax increase on higher incomes, Obama's budget plan for 2011 calls for:

—A limit on the itemized tax deductions high earners can claim for charitable donations, mortgage interest and state and local taxes. Taxpayers in the highest brackets would only be able to deduct 28 percent of those items, instead of a percentage equal to their top marginal tax rate.

—An increase in the top capital gains tax rate from 15 percent to 20 percent for families making more than $250,000 a year and individuals making more than $200,000.

Taxpayers are already facing a problem this year—the Alternative Minimum Tax, or AMT. Those subject to the tax will fall to $45,000 for couples filing jointly this year and $35,750 for single filers.

Both sides of the political aisle have said they would take up the issue of adjusting the AMT to inflation. However, that has yet to happen


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But if the Bush tax cuts end, they might actually help some of those caught in the AMT trap says Lanzaro.

"Depending on where you live, and the higher tax rates go, the less the AMT would effect them," says Lanzaro. "The AMT is triggered most often by higher property and state income taxes, not Federal taxes. It could pretty much just even out."

Lower incomes do see some tax cuts in Obama's budget. His plan would extend the Making Work Pay tax credit — $400 for individuals, $800 for a couple filing jointly — through 2011. And he would extend Bush-era tax cuts for families and individuals making less than $200,000.

But in the end, Obama would increase taxes on some businesses and wealthy individuals by a total of about $1.4 trillion over the next decade, starting in 2011.

For tax payers in the higher income brackets, having a good financial advisor might help deal with the increases.

"Those who can afford to get tax advice are usually able to keep their tax bills lower," says Pace University's Crawford. "But for a lot of people in expensive areas, $250,000 is not living high off the hog. No one likes paying more taxes even with a bigger paycheck."

For those targeted by Obama, it may come down to just accepting the inevitable.

"At the end of the day, the tax increases are coming," says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's. "People in the higher incomes are just going to have to get used to the idea."
Naaa ya think? Well lets see...were 400 trillion in debt....two things we know for sure. We aint gonna pay it off by cutting taxes on the rich, Congress wont' quit spending money (regardless of which party is in) and we aint gonna raise 400 trillion by raising taxes on trailer park residents like Asshat and Tinhead.

So hmmm what would be a good plan B? I KNOW! Raise taxes on the rich!!
 
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How about a national sales tax of about 15%, no income tax.
That would get the dope dealers and all black market activity under the tax umbrella.

1) No, it would not. The dope dealers would still be on the black market as long as drugs were illegal.

2) A national sales tax tends to be regressive. It is also much harder to protect the low and lower middle income families from the tax. Add in the propensity for increased lobbying and you likely end up with a system as complex as the one we have now.
 
1) No, it would not. The dope dealers would still be on the black market as long as drugs were illegal.

2) A national sales tax tends to be regressive. It is also much harder to protect the low and lower middle income families from the tax. Add in the propensity for increased lobbying and you likely end up with a system as complex as the one we have now.

I'm talking about taxing their income, which now isn't. So they spend they pay the tax
 
How about a national sales tax of about 15%, no income tax.
That would get the dope dealers and all black market activity under the tax umbrella.

The fair tax, which pulls in about as much money as the income tax, has a tax-inclusive rate of 23%. But it includes rebates.

SF's system would problem actually come to a 150 billion to 200 billion tax increase. Combined with 150 billion cuts that we've already worked out, that would actually put us at sustainable deficit levels.
 
I agree w/ that sentiment; however, if you look at the net increase, it's pretty insignificant, particularly for that income level.

The fact remains that the "tweeners" still pay too much tax, though. $250K ain't what it used to be, especially in certain parts of the country. People think it's rich, but it isn't.

The top tax rate should be 33%; that should be the goal. No more than one third of your income to the gov't (and that's not counting fees, prop. taxes, etc.)
Well fine. What services are you willing to do with out in order to accomplish that? Cut the military in half? Reduce social security benefits? Needs test medicare?
 
Well fine. What services are you willing to do with out in order to accomplish that? Cut the military in half? Reduce social security benefits? Needs test medicare?

cut military 75%, close all foreign bases
cut the domestic ghestapo 75%
cut average dept that has 50% fat people sitting on their asses all day 50%
 
Well fine. What services are you willing to do with out in order to accomplish that? Cut the military in half? Reduce social security benefits? Needs test medicare?

Actually, I would cut the military - maybe not by half, but by at least a third. I'd also support a plan to privatize social security. I'd also love to see gov't waste cut tenfold, if possible - there is waste & unnecessary bureacracy at every level of our government.

There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of good ideas for cutting government significantly without cutting or impacting vital services for the citzenry. But we don't hear them, because our political system is set up so that mainly nitwits run for office, and when they do get to DC, they stay there for 30 years and forget why they went there in the 1st place...
 
Actually, I would cut the military - maybe not by half, but by at least a third. I'd also support a plan to privatize social security. I'd also love to see gov't waste cut tenfold, if possible - there is waste & unnecessary bureacracy at every level of our government.

There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of good ideas for cutting government significantly without cutting or impacting vital services for the citzenry. But we don't hear them, because our political system is set up so that mainly nitwits run for office, and when they do get to DC, they stay there for 30 years and forget why they went there in the 1st place...

No, Oncie. It's because there's not a majority in congress for any one specific thing. Republicans want to cut taxes, and that's all they want to do. The Democrats are interested in deficit reduction but can't agree on anything because their interests diverage. People who've been in office a long time having nothign to do with it.
 
you're probably too stupid to realize you basically advocating arnarchy.

We had a nice civil discussion on this topic today, on 2 threads. I don't want to get all nostalgic, but it was kind of how the board used to be - posters on the right, left & in the middle voicing their opinions, and essentially respecting other points of view.

It was rockin' not to have some police guy running around, hopped up on caffeine, demanding that they show proof that they did or didn't say something about Bush, or that the would also criticize or condemn Democrats, or that they were hacks, hacks, hacks.

I figured it was probably too good to last. Ah, well...
 
No, Oncie. It's because there's not a majority in congress for any one specific thing. Republicans want to cut taxes, and that's all they want to do. The Democrats are interested in deficit reduction


What crap....ONLY CONGRESS can spent money and thats a simple truth and fact.....Congress has been in the hands of Democrats for the past 4 years....
SEE THE CONNECTION ?


but can't agree on anything because their interests diverage. People who've been in office a long time having nothign to do with it.


Lower taxes mean more jobs and more government revenue....even JFK knew that.....
Cutting spending sometimes means cutting jobs, and needs to be done with care....
 
cut military 75%, close all foreign bases
cut the domestic ghestapo 75%
cut average dept that has 50% fat people sitting on their asses all day 50%
That's what I like about you Topper. You're not afraid to make a decision. Now what about the rest of these nuttless wonders? :clink:
 
We had a nice civil discussion on this topic today, on 2 threads. I don't want to get all nostalgic, but it was kind of how the board used to be - posters on the right, left & in the middle voicing their opinions, and essentially respecting other points of view.

It was rockin' not to have some police guy running around, hopped up on caffeine, demanding that they show proof that they did or didn't say something about Bush, or that the would also criticize or condemn Democrats, or that they were hacks, hacks, hacks.

I figured it was probably too good to last. Ah, well...

Civil discussion is all well and good but stupid talk and lies just can't go by uncontested....
 
Actually, I would cut the military - maybe not by half, but by at least a third. I'd also support a plan to privatize social security. I'd also love to see gov't waste cut tenfold, if possible - there is waste & unnecessary bureacracy at every level of our government.

There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of good ideas for cutting government significantly without cutting or impacting vital services for the citzenry. But we don't hear them, because our political system is set up so that mainly nitwits run for office, and when they do get to DC, they stay there for 30 years and forget why they went there in the 1st place...
God Once, I"m touched by your ability to make tough decision and some bad ones (Like privatizing SS. Didn't you learn anything about the 09 meltdown?).
 
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