Tamir Rice's murderer, no job

Bigdog said:
Sincere question ...

Is it tactically correct to pull the cruiser so close to an armed and dangerous suspect? Or should initial engagement by the police with a dangerous suspect, have been conducted from a more distant position?
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Since we weren't there or the one driving, we'll never know; plus all of this is being looked at with the benefit of hindsight and just like the Super Bowl, many people can tell what their team SHOULD have done.

How come no one is questioning where Tamir got a BB gun, with the safety end removed, or why his parent(s) failed to educate him on the dangers of behaving like he was??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Since we weren't there or the one driving, we'll never know; plus all of this is being looked at with the benefit of hindsight and just like the Super Bowl, many people can tell what their team SHOULD have done.

How come no one is questioning where Tamir got a BB gun, with the safety end removed, or why his parent(s) failed to educate him on the dangers of behaving like he was??
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What do you mean "the safety end removed"? BB guns don't have a "safety end". Airsoft and other toy guns do. BB guns are not toys.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Since we weren't there or the one driving, we'll never know; plus all of this is being looked at with the benefit of hindsight and just like the Super Bowl, many people can tell what their team SHOULD have done.

How come no one is questioning where Tamir got a BB gun, with the safety end removed, or why his parent(s) failed to educate him on the dangers of behaving like he was??
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I had BB guns when I was a kid, hell, I owned a hi-power rifle at age 12. And yes, we kids ran around our neighborhoods with our BB guns and none of us were shot. It's one of the things we did when we were kids, but I live in a rural/small town area and we were taught to behave responsibly.
You claim "Tamir got a BB gun, with the safety end removed," so if this officer could see that, he had more than enough time to assess the situation. Did Tamir turn and point that BB gun at the officer? Did the security guard turn and point his gun at the officer? Again, with the time it takes to draw and aim a weapon, there is time enough to make the decision to fire it.
Do you hunt? If so, have you ever had a deer run past you? If you have enough time to shoulder your rifle, you have enough time to see if it has a rack or not (not to mention making a well placed shot) and make the decision to fire or not.
Again, I'm not anti law enforcement, but as a life long responsible gun owner, you just don't pull a weapon and fire without making sound judgement.
 
RB 60 said:
I had BB guns when I was a kid, hell, I owned a hi-power rifle at age 12. And yes, we kids ran around our neighborhoods with our BB guns and none of us were shot. It's one of the things we did when we were kids, but I live in a rural/small town area and we were taught to behave responsibly.
You claim "Tamir got a BB gun, with the safety end removed," so if this officer could see that, he had more than enough time to assess the situation. Did Tamir turn and point that BB gun at the officer? Did the security guard turn and point his gun at the officer? Again, with the time it takes to draw and aim a weapon, there is time enough to make the decision to fire it.
Do you hunt? If so, have you ever had a deer run past you? If you have enough time to shoulder your rifle, you have enough time to see if it has a rack or not (not to mention making a well placed shot) and make the decision to fire or not.
Again, I'm not anti law enforcement, but as a life long responsible gun owner, you just don't pull a weapon and fire without making sound judgement.
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, so now an Cop is to WAIT until it's pointed at them; because everyone knows that a Cop can "react" way faster then anyone can "act". :palm:

UH; the deer is no threat, unless it's charging at you, so I'm not sure why you tried to draw a comparison!!

Are you saying that trying to draw a gun, when approached by the Police, is the act of a responsible gun owner?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Since we weren't there or the one driving, we'll never know; plus all of this is being looked at with the benefit of hindsight and just like the Super Bowl, many people can tell what their team SHOULD have done.

How come no one is questioning where Tamir got a BB gun, with the safety end removed, or why his parent(s) failed to educate him on the dangers of behaving like he was??
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So the police have no SOP for dealing with dangerous, armed suspects? ... I highly doubt that is true.

Obviously, bad parenting and kids acting stupidly are common. You think the cops are too stupid to take that into account?

Of course we Monday morning quarterback. You can't evaluate job performance until the job is complete.

Bottom line, the highly trained adult professional made the wrong call.
 
On the tape, you hear the officer describe him as 20 years old. The cop misidentified a child as an adult.
 
Bigdog said:
So the police have no SOP for dealing with dangerous, armed suspects? ... I highly doubt that is true.

Obviously, bad parenting and kids acting stupidly are common. You think the cops are too stupid to take that into account?

Of course we Monday morning quarterback. You can't evaluate job performance until the job is complete.

Bottom line, the highly trained adult professional made the wrong call.
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Please show where I said or even inferred that there were no SOP and while you're at it, maybe you can show where a SOP holds true for EVERY incident?

The real "bottom line" is way to many people want to play the "Monday Morning Quarterback"; because they're convinced they know what they would have done, if they were there, and yet, they never put themselves "there".
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, so now an Cop is to WAIT until it's pointed at them; because everyone knows that a Cop can "react" way faster then anyone can "act". :palm:
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You are seeing things that are not there in my statements. With a drawn and aimed weapon, it takes far less time to pull the trigger than anyone can turn and aim theirs at you.

UH; the deer is no threat, unless it's charging at you, so I'm not sure why you tried to draw a comparison!!
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I've had that experience. I shot a spike buck about 50 yd. away broadside, the bullet grazed the heart but the buck saw me and it did charge. I had enough time to reshoulder my rifle and fire another round in the neck and it dropped about 15 yd. in front of me. But that is the point of identifying the threat and making a sound decision to fire.

Are you saying that trying to draw a gun, when approached by the Police, is the act of a responsible gun owner?
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How can you conclude that is what I am saying? Drawing a gun when approached by police is an act of stupidity.
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RB 60 said:
USFREEDOM911 said:
You are seeing things that are not there in my statements. With a drawn and aimed weapon, it takes far less time to pull the trigger than anyone can turn and aim theirs at you.



I've had that experience. I shot a spike buck about 50 yd. away broadside, the bullet grazed the heart but the buck saw me and it did charge. I had enough time to reshoulder my rifle and fire another round in the neck and it dropped about 15 yd. in front of me. But that is the point of identifying the threat and making a sound decision to fire.



How can you conclude that is what I am saying? Drawing a gun when approached by police is an act of stupidity.
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Take a look at your previous post and maybe you'll have a better understanding of my replies, seeing as how you were the one making the comments.
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USFREEDOM911 said:
Please show where I said or even inferred that there were no SOP and while you're at it, maybe you can show where a SOP holds true for EVERY incident?

The real "bottom line" is way to many people want to play the "Monday Morning Quarterback"; because they're convinced they know what they would have done, if they were there, and yet, they never put themselves "there".
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Post 121, ... the first line of your post in response to my question.

As an adult civilian, I had a (I guesstimate) 12 year old black child pull out a huge revolver, point it at me and say, "Whatcha gonna do now?". I gave him a look, made a very subtle, calm threatening gesture towards him, ... and he chiuckled and put the gun away.
 
Bigdog said:
Post 121, ... the first line of your post in response to my question.

As an adult civilian, I had a (I guesstimate) 12 year old black child pull out a huge revolver, point it at me and say, "Whatcha gonna do now?". I gave him a look, made a very subtle, calm threatening gesture towards him, ... and he chiuckled and put the gun away.
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So how did you know he wasn't going to kill you??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then why are people suggesting that the Police should have WAITED, to see if Tamir was intending to harm someone??
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Because if they had waited ... the officer would not have to live with fact that he just killed a child playing with a toy gun.
 
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