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Don was a crook, no doubt of that.

But Alabama also had Bill Baxley. Plenty of racist crimes of the 50s & 60s went unprosecuted. The state didn't go after the KKK and neither did the feds. But Baxley did.

He was in law school at the Univ of Alabama when the Birmingham church bombing happened. 7 years later he was sworn in as the attorney general of Alabama. Within a few months of being sworn in he reopened the investigation into the bombing. Of course, everyone wants to point fingers at Alabama for the racism. But none of those people can explain why the FBI refused to release the tapes of interviews and evidence in the case. Baxley had to basically start from scratch. The FBI had evidence on several men, but Hoover kept it locked away. Baxley convicted Robert Chambliss of the crime and the bastard died in prison. But he had been able to walk free for 14 years after murdering those girls. And the bulk of the blame lies at the feet of the FBI, not the state of Alabama.

During this investigation the KKK threatened Baxley and his family. They also sent him a letter calling him an "honorary nigger" and threatening him again. Somewhere in the Alabama state archives is a letter Baxley sent in response. On official letterhead, he wrote "My response to your letter of February 19, 1976 is - kiss my ass." And the letter is signed, "Bill Baxley, Attorney Genera"l.



Yeah, there have been crooked politicians in Alabama. I doubt you could find a state that didn't have them. But we have also had good people like Baxley in office. And good people standing up for what is right. My parents were involved in parts of the march from Selma to Montgomery. My dad was threatened and his business threatened when he spoke out against Gov. Wallace's stand on the steps of the UA to stop the enrollment of the first black student there. I was a kid, but I remember both my parents being scared when strange cars drove by our house. And my parents were not alone. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I have a slight bend in my nose from a fight in Eutaw AL with two "klansmen". These two "brave" assholes were chasing a 9 or 10 year old black boy down the street. Not only was it two grown men after one little boy, but one of the men had a piece of a 2x4 with him.

So spare me this "all alabamians are racist retards" and nonsense like that. If you want to demean those cowards who attacked in the night under sheets, I am right there with you. But when you want to deny the existence of the good people who fought the good fight and stood up for what is right, I will call you on it every time. I have seen too many people in Alabama stand side by side, regardless of race. I have seen too many examples of southern gentility and hospitality that crossed lines of race, religion and generation. I have also seen too many examples of racial violence in too many other places. In Alabama you have a few rednecks making noise about race, but they have friends who are black, co-workers who are black, and don't actually do anything. But let a black kid walk thru the wrong neighborhood in NY or NJ and the residents will beat him to death.
 
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Actually slavery and segregation were always bad economics. There was no need to fight a war to free the slaves. Would have happened eventially Oh and to preempt your usual troll games. This is my opinion. If you are confused on what that is, try www.dictionary.com

Bad economics?


The slave system represented the basis of the Southern social and economic system, and thus even non-slaveowners opposed any suggestions for terminating that system...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Southern_United_States#Antebellum_slavery


This is a historical fact. If you are confused about what that is, try www.dictionary.com.

Now that you've "come out" as a Confederate apologist, let's hoist your flag.



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In Alabama you have a few rednecks making noise about race, but they have friends who are black, co-workers who are black, and don't actually do anything.

"A few" who "don't actually do anything"? And these "few" "have friends who are black, co-workers who are black"?

Interesting.
So there are no documented racist incidents in Alabama?

But let a black kid walk thru the wrong neighborhood in NY or NJ and the residents will beat him to death.

I'm sure that's not a stereotype, and you can cite examples....right?
 
Is there a slight bend in your nose from this?


If you are going to doctor the quotes, do a better job. Yes, I have a slight bend in my nose because I got into a fight with those "brave" klansmen.

Are you "right there" with your fellow conservative who loves America...the Confederate States of America?

Is that what I said? Once again, don't be daft. What I said was "If you want to demean those cowards who attacked in the night under sheets, I am right there with you.". Does that sound like I am one who loves the CFA?? And when you ask that question, you have to be ignoring my statement that I have always been glad the south lost the Civil War.

A straight discussion would be preferable to this cherry-picking quotes and attempting to make it seem someone said something they did not.
 

Bad economics?


The slave system represented the basis of the Southern social and economic system, and thus even non-slaveowners opposed any suggestions for terminating that system...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Southern_United_States#Antebellum_slavery


This is a historical fact. If you are confused about what that is, try www.dictionary.com.

Now that you've "come out" as a Confederate apologist, let's hoist your flag.



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Wikipedia? That is your source of historical fact?

:rofl2:

Yes, it was bad economics.

BTW, how do you get that it was the "basis of the Southern social and economic system" when only 2.8% of white Southerners even owned slaves? Also did you know that 10% of free blacks owned slaves? Yes puddin, blacks were three times as likely to own slaves as whites. Also the injuns owned slaves as well. It was an economic issue and a bad one at that.You are one uneducated fucker aren't ya?

BTW, do you agree with Governor Kasich that Romney is going to win Ohio?
 
Is that what I said? Once again, don't be daft. What I said was "If you want to demean those cowards who attacked in the night under sheets, I am right there with you.". Does that sound like I am one who loves the CFA?? And when you ask that question, you have to be ignoring my statement that I have always been glad the south lost the Civil War. A straight discussion would be preferable to this cherry-picking quotes and attempting to make it seem someone said something they did not.

Can you explain how excerpting your lengthy apologist rant changes the fact that you claimed that there are only "a few rednecks" who "don't actually do anything", and these "few" "have friends who are black, co-workers who are black"?

I'm still waiting for examples of "black kid walk thru the wrong neighborhood in NY or NJ and the residents will beat him to death."

Or was that a stereotype?
 
Wikipedia? That is your source of historical fact?

Doesn't seem to be questionable when your fellow conservatives quote it, does it?

According to this article, Alabama(like most southern states) was a pure bastion of the democrats from 1819 until the 1980's. Now the balance of power has leveled a bit more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Alabama Bottom line? These deep south states have never had much going for them economically, regardless who was in the state house or the legislature. They try to make the best of the resources at hand.



If you can provide a verifiably accurate rebuttal, do it.
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You can't come up with any facts to rebut what Wiki states, I see.

Already did. Don't blame your reading comprehension problems on me.

Do you agree with Kasich that Romney will win Ohio? I can only assume that you do and are afraid to admit it to your fellow liberal travelers. I humbly accept your concession
 
Already did.

No, you didn't.

Here's what you said:

Wikipedia? That is your source of historical fact? Yes, it was bad economics. BTW, how do you get that it was the "basis of the Southern social and economic system" when only 2.8% of white Southerners even owned slaves? Also did you know that 10% of free blacks owned slaves? Yes puddin, blacks were three times as likely to own slaves as whites. Also the injuns owned slaves as well. It was an economic issue and a bad one at that.

No link, I see, and the low incidence of ownership you cited doesn't make Wiki wrong, does it?

Wiki says "About a third of Southern families were slave owners, but fewer than 10% of them owned 20 or more. The majority of Southerners never owned slaves. Most were independent yeoman farmers. Nevertheless, the slave system represented the basis of the Southern social and economic system, and thus even non-slaveowners opposed any suggestions for terminating that system"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Southern_United_States#Antebellum_slavery

How come you didn't ask Callinectes why he quoted Wiki, BTW?

If you're going to use an ad hominem to try to discredit Wiki, shouldn't you do it consistently? :rofl2:
 
No, you didn't.

Here's what you said:



No link, I see, and the low incidence of ownership you cited doesn't make Wiki wrong, does it?

Wiki says "About a third of Southern families were slave owners, but fewer than 10% of them owned 20 or more. The majority of Southerners never owned slaves. Most were independent yeoman farmers. Nevertheless, the slave system represented the basis of the Southern social and economic system, and thus even non-slaveowners opposed any suggestions for terminating that system"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Southern_United_States#Antebellum_slavery

How come you didn't ask Callinectes why he quoted Wiki, BTW?

If you're going to use an ad hominem to try to discredit Wiki, shouldn't you do it consistently? :rofl2:

It is common knowledge by anyone who is educated that blacks owned slaves. It is common knowledge that indians owned slaves.
 
It is common knowledge by anyone who is educated that blacks owned slaves. It is common knowledge that indians owned slaves.

That's not what we're discussing.

We're discussing the fact that without slaves, the South's economy collapsed.

You forgot to call the Native American slaveowners "injuns" this time.

It's common knowledge that you neglected to question Callinectes when he quoted Wiki.
 
I lived in Alabama for four years, the poverty and lack of education is shocking. Dont get me wrong, there is a wealthy educated class, but they work hard to stay on top of the poor.
 
I lived in Alabama for four years, the poverty and lack of education is shocking.

The lack of education is evident from reading this thread.

Don't get me wrong, there is a wealthy educated class, but they work hard to stay on top of the poor.

Would their ancestors have been plantation owners, by any chance?
 
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