Swedish surge in Covid cases dashes hopes of herd immunity - the truth!!

This is really getting stupid. You can compare Sweden to three other countries or to Europe or to the Eastern Hemisphere or to the world and come up with all kinds of comparisons. You can then multiply that by deaths / cases, deaths/pop, cases/pop. The comparisons are almost endless (total deaths, total deaths/pop, new deaths, new cases, new cases / pop, etc. )and you come up with whatever you want.
Then you can come up with whatever conclusion you want, e.g., LV47563xyz seemingly concludes Sweden, UK and Italy have the crappiest health care systems in Europe. Then there's differences in how different countries report cases.
If you're honest with yourself you'd admit it's pretty random as to how this virus affects different countries, and Sweden overall is doing no better or worse than the rest of the world.

No, it isn't getting stupid. Comparing Sweden to Finland and Norway is the most apt comparison you can make. And they are MUCH worse than their neighbors. They are doing worse than the rest of the world, not 'no better or worse'. It's simple, just look at the world averages, and you can see Sweden on the high side of that average. Sweden has twice the cases per 1 million than the average country, and 5 times as many deaths per million than the average country. You aren't going to be able to 'metric' your way out of this one. Swedens attempt to achieve herd immunity has thus far failed miserably.
 
No, it isn't getting stupid. Comparing Sweden to Finland and Norway is the most apt comparison you can make. And they are MUCH worse than their neighbors. They are doing worse than the rest of the world, not 'no better or worse'. It's simple, just look at the world averages, and you can see Sweden on the high side of that average. Sweden has twice the cases per 1 million than the average country, and 5 times as many deaths per million than the average country. You aren't going to be able to 'metric' your way out of this one. Swedens attempt to achieve herd immunity has thus far failed miserably.

And to be honest I don't really care. Never been to Sweden and don't plan on going anytime soon. Looks like we may have to cancel our mid December trip to Germany though. Not worth going anyway with the Christmas markets cancelled as far as I'm concerned. Just entertaining myself fucking with LV4267972.xyz.
As long as I can go to Hawaii from Jan. - April I'm fine.
I will say this... the MatSu borough (we have no counties) is very lax and has been since early summer . I went there to golf , then eat at my favorite brewhouse this past summer. No distancing at the bars, even the waiters weren't masking and they've had 53% the cases/100,000 and 8.3% of deaths/100,000 compared to the Anchorage
borough https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/alaska which had an authoritarian mayor before he got caught Anthony Weinering himself and resigned.
 
And to be honest I don't really care. Never been to Sweden and don't plan on going anytime soon. Looks like we may have to cancel our mid December trip to Germany though. Not worth going anyway with the Christmas markets cancelled as far as I'm concerned. Just entertaining myself fucking with LV4267972.xyz.
As long as I can go to Hawaii from Jan. - April I'm fine.
I will say this... the MatSu borough (we have no counties) is very lax and has been since early summer . I went there to golf , then eat at my favorite brewhouse this past summer. No distancing at the bars, even the waiters weren't masking and they've had 53% the cases/100,000 and 8.3% of deaths/100,000 compared to the Anchorage
borough https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/alaska which had an authoritarian mayor before he got caught Anthony Weinering himself and resigned.

I've written off everything until April or so. We had a trip planned to Hawaii, but it was Honolulu so we're going to wait. I'm guessing you're heading somewhere less populace.

Your point about some areas being better than others is valid. The only problem with that is if it does get going there, it's much harder to change behaviors. The spread of the virus is simple math; mitigation is just an effort to change the equation. If it isn't present at all, the R0 is going to be zero. The more spread out the population, the lower the R0. So I'm not surprised to hear that. There are some counties in Florida that have barely been touched despite the fact that they have acted like the virus doesn't exist. My parents live in one of those counties. Hoping it stays that way, but my fear is an outbreak and the county having no idea how to handle it.
 
Normal for higher population density. All countries are failing.

The virus is gonna virus.

And while the virusing is going on, the globalists are going to use the virusing as a pretext to imagine a new global economy. And when it’s all over we’ll all live happily ever after in a socialist dystopia.
 
The virus is gonna virus.
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And that's my argument. Going on and off lockdowns only delays the inevitable.
What if this vaccine is mostly ineffective, like flu vaccines? We're already being told there's several strains. May as well give up now. What then?
No, I prefer to live my life in spite of the risks. I survived whitewater kayaking, been in a couple of auto wrecks, drove drunk many times in my youth, had unprotected one night stand sex. One more risky thing we have to deal with. I'll take my chances.
 
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This is today's totals for Denmark!

Coronavirus Cases: 64, 551

Deaths: 768

Recovered: 49,961

Denmark put a lot of mitigation processes in order back in March that have prevented much of the disease from spreading to their country- For example- They banned people from most countries from un-boarding planes and/or border crossing to and from Denmark- including the United States.

And Denmark has already admitted that they made a mistake for making decisions to not shutdown schools or Businesses. They have since put into place many mitigation processes and shutdowns!
 
So if you're just going to dishonestly keep jumping between metrics, then I think this debate has reached its conclusion.

My original claim was that Sweden was one of, if not the worst, for case-deaths in Europe. And then that was confirmed when you posted the Johns Hopkins link that showed that Sweden is #3 in Europe for case-death, behind just the UK and Italy by a mere .3%.

So now, you're moving the goalposts because your attempt to spin what happened in Sweden failed. In that failure you actually helped make MY CASE that Sweden was one of the worst countries for COVID, continues to be one of the worst countries for COVID, and is now adopting most, if not all, of the same restrictions the rest of Europe put in place during the Spring and Summer:

Sweden, having refused to lock down, is now bringing in tougher COVID-19 restrictions as cases and deaths soar. 'This is the new norm,' the prime minister said.
November 17th, 2020
https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...ons-rules-deaths-cases-stefan-loftven-2020-11

And you know what else? All the lax restrictions have resulted in Sweden now getting record new case counts every day:

Sweden's tougher restrictions come as COVID-19 cases and deaths in the country surge. On Friday, the country reported its highest increase in cases during the pandemic.

Good, fuck off then!
 
And that's my argument. Going on and off lockdowns only delays the inevitable.
What if this vaccine is mostly ineffective, like flu vaccines? We're already being told there's several strains. May as well give up now. What then?
No, I prefer to live my life in spite of the risks. I survived whitewater kayaking, been in a couple of auto wrecks, drove drunk many times in my youth, had unprotected one night stand sex. One more risky thing we have to deal with. I'll take my chances.

Pretty much.

To whatever extent lockdowns work, the virus doesn’t disappear so it just picks up where it left off upon opening up. Then there’s the crippling economic and social costs. And, they come with an increase in unnecessary deaths and a general deterioration of health in a society. Think: couch potatoes and day drinkers.

I should also add that viruses love quarantines: they like it when people are shut inside for extended periods.
 
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