Swedish military will be a NATO force multiplier

Nordberg said:
Used the N-word huh? That is what Ruskies do when they are losing. They try and scare every out of helping with the nuke threat. Want to end the problem, pull the fuck out and go back to Moscow. It will be a long time before Russia is trusted again, if ever.
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you aren't qualified to post on this thread with stupid claims that using nukes is just a scare tactic.
I have serious doubts if you can even discern between a theater level low yield nuke strike to an ICBM

Using a nuke isn't the catastropic stuff of Mutual Assured Destruction. A low yield battlefield nuke
has always been a possibility. It's a major escalation but our escalation of increased complex weapons and troop training to use them leaves Russia with no other place to go.
And they have them, and Lavrov has been warning about them

FUCKED UP QUOTE OF THE DAY:
"when Russia escalates we will escalate" (Ned "the weasel faced" Price - spokeman)
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Remember early in the war when the talk was an "off ramp" for Putin? We dont want an off ramp.
we want to punish Russia and escalate Ukraine to a permanent threat to same
We are loving this proxy war, and we keep juicing it
 
Nordberg said:
Used the N-word huh? That is what Ruskies do when they are losing. They try and scare every out of helping with the nuke threat. Want to end the problem, pull the fuck out and go back to Moscow. It will be a long time before Russia is trusted again, if ever.
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Trusted by whom ?

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Of course, Russia's invasion of Ukraine runs contrary to international law- but wtf does the US care about international law ? It actually pays and maintains the Israeli fascists to break it. It PROMOTES breaking international law. The US record of brutality and banditry in modern history is the world's worst after Adolf and Pol Pot- so shove your whinging hypocrisy up your ass and stfu.
This is Biden's war, initiated by US-led NATO which has used the Zelensky fool as a pawn, the heir of the puppet anti-Russian president, Poroshenko , who was installed by way of a US coup.
Anybody thinking that Russia started this chaos is a brain-scrubbed, pseudo-patriotic and dangerously-misguided goon.
 
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dukkha said:
No doubt about it. we are at war with Russia

Secretary Lloyd Austin said Monday in Kyiv that Washington wants to see Russian forces “weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-real-nuclear-war-risk-as-ukraine-talks-go-on
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More sabre rattling BS, which works well for the Putin/Russian home propaganda. The only risk of WW3 would be if Russia purposely destroyed a Ukrainian nuke power plant....and that would be a pretty stupid move for you want to take over a country (irradiating a huge section of the country).

Biden warns of military dire consequences if just one Russian boot goes over a NATO country line. Putin & his mouth pieces are bull horning the SOS of "aggression" from foreign entities interfering in Russian defense of it's allies.

Mind you, this "proxy war" includes industrial EU nations...and they may not be wholly on board with a new version of the Korean War (which was deemed a "military action" and not a war).

But hey, given the sociopathic attitudes of all involved, I wouldn't be surprised if some asshole uses a tactical nuke of sorts. And the band played on.
 
dukkha said:
invading a NATO country is BS and you know it. Ukraine is unique in that it is a hostile state on it's border
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Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland are all NATO countries that Putin claims to be part of Russia, and that border on Russia. That means that Ukraine is not unique.
 
Walt said:
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland are all NATO countries that Putin claims to be part of Russia, and that border on Russia. That means that Ukraine is not unique.
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And you would like to peddle the myth that Russia intends to attack them all. You're delusional.
 
Cypress said:
You need to respond to what I actually wrote, not to what you wish I wrote.

The thread title indicates the professional and well equipped Swedish armed forces are a substantial force multiplier for NATO.

Not that they could fend of a Russian incursion by themselves.

From a tactical perspective Swedish armed forces enhance NATO more than Portugal, Belgium, Iceland, Romania, Netherlands, Slovenia, Luxembourg, Croatia, Denmark, Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovakia do.
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That's what you think...one of those countries could level half of Russia within an hour.

I'm glad Sweden is joining NATO, but did they ever solve their Muslim problem?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
One little problem... Right now, most of Sweden's military hardware is not NATO compatible.
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Sweden has been standardizing towards NATO quicker than many NATO nations.

T. A. Gardner said:
For example, the Gripen in Swedish service uses Jet A for fuel versus NATO standard JP 8 and JP 4.
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Almost no one uses Jet A outside the USA. Did you mean Jet A-1? The differences between Jet A, Jet A-1, and JP 8 are very minor, and in the case of the Gripen, it regularly uses all three types of fuel. JP8 is closer to the world standard Jet A-1, then the American civil standard of Jet A, so they are closer to the NATO standard than the USA.

T. A. Gardner said:
Commercial Jet A had to be trucked in just to allow the planes to fly home.
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From where, the United States? Swedes would not have access to Jet A fuel in Sweden. They use European Jet A-1 fuel.

T. A. Gardner said:
It's going to take Sweden a decade or more to move to NATO standard equipment and munitions once they join. Finland is in the same situation.
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Both mostly use German standards... Which are NATO standards. Finland used to use some Russian standards, but have spent a couple of decades moving on.
 
moon said:
' Brain in gear before speak ' goes the adage. Russia covers eleven time zones. You probably have trouble deciphering a modern watch.
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"modern watch"? Really? A "modern watch" isn't going to do much, actually nothing more than the programmers of its OS designed it to do.

One of those things is track your movements, web searches, and purchases. Probably have built-in keyloggers. Total RAT on your wrist.

So like..are there Google watches, even? I know Apple has watches. If I wanted to, I'd get into it and alter their OS to do my bidding, boy.

The next watch I get will be a Swiss Army watch. I'm not big on watches, they impede movement. One Christmas a loved one gave me a nice watch, I wore it to work the next day and it popped off of my wrist after like..2 minutes of me working.

It's in a drawer in my bedroom with the popped band and I haven't cared about wearing a watch since.

That was almost 2 decades ago.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's ferry range is 2000 miles. It's combat radius is about 250. That is, out, fight, and return. That might be stretched to about 500 miles if you hang a bunch of drop tanks on it.
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They do not use drop tanks anymore. They do use aerial refueling, which means they have a combat radius of however far they can fly over a day or two. Usually pilots can only spend a day or two in a fighter plane (even in the middle of a war) before they really have to land it. The Iranians had a Tomcat in the air for 4 days, but I would not want to be within a mile of that cockpit when the plane landed.

Without aerial refueling, the ferry range of 2000 miles translates into a combat range of 500 miles. While in theory, someone could fly 1000 miles and then 1000 miles back, it would have to be without weapons loading it down, and there would be no time to do anything while there.

The Gripen's refueling works with the NATO standards, so it could be kept in the air with NATO refueling for quite a while. It has a good ability to deal with poor runways, so could refuel and take off to fight even from damaged runways.

Sweden is a tiny country, but has put a great deal of good work into defense. It would be a good addition to NATO.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Small units of ground troops serving mostly under the UN flag doesn't equate to putting a large force on the ground and supplying it.
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A force multiplier is a small unit that acts as part of a bigger group, so your statement that they have only deployed small units just backs up the original post.
 
moon said:
And you would like to peddle the myth that Russia intends to attack them all. You're delusional.
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Putin's plan seems to be to attack all his enemies, one at a time. A strong alliance disrupts this plan, because it forces him to fight everyone.

Putin is very similar to Hitler in that way.
 
Walt said:
Putin's plan seems to be to attack all his enemies, one at a time.

Putin is very similar to Hitler in that way.
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Like Hitler taking on all the Allies and opening an Eastern front simultaneously ? No, I don't think so.

You're entitled to your delusions, of course.
 
moon said:
Like Hitler taking on all the Allies and opening an Eastern front simultaneously ?
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Hitler clearly did not want to take on all the allies at once, and he waited to open the eastern front until after the western front had been closed.
 
moon said:
Like Hitler taking on all the Allies and opening an Eastern front simultaneously ? No, I don't think so.

You're entitled to your delusions, of course.
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Putin in Ukraine is reminiscent of Hitler's "Blitzkreig" campaign. It really is.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Putin in Ukraine is reminiscent of Hitler's "Blitzkreig" campaign. It really is.
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Saying that two months ago, would have been reasonable, but wrong. Saying that today, is insane. Hitler totally invaded Poland in little more than a month. It is more than two months later, and Putin has not even captured Kyiv, which was much closer than Warsaw.
 
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