why impose your values on them? They obviously dont value their lives over there why force them to?
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Susan Rice Lied Regarding Chem Weapons in Syria
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why impose your values on them? They obviously dont value their lives over there why force them to?
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
Was he advising Trump when Trump was all gung ho about getting rid of Qaddafhi too?Or Libyan interventionism
Trump didn't have the intel..it was common "knowledge" Qadaffi was "bombing civilians."Was he advising Trump when Trump was all gung ho about getting rid of Qaddafhi too?
BAC and myself started to look carefully at the NTC (AQ alliance) - and the fact there was nothing corroborative about Qaddafi killing civilians.
But we were ones of the very very few that dug in.
Clinton was on the inside,
and she knowingly lied about "Viagra rape" when there never was any supporting evidence.
She knowingly ginned up regime change too- just like she did in Syria (friends of Syria)
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
He had the intel about Assad killing civilians and 10 days ago it didn't matter.Trump didn't have the intel..it was common "knowledge" Qadaffi was "bombing civilians."
BAC and myself started to look carefully at the NTC (AQ alliance) - and the fact there was nothing corroborative about Qaddafi killing civilians.
But we were ones of the very very few that dug in.
Clinton was on the inside,
and she knowingly lied about "Viagra rape" when there never was any supporting evidence.
She knowingly ginned up regime change too- just like she did in Syria (friends of Syria)
nice deflection. But for some reason chem weapons are treated separately evil.He had the intel about Assad killing civilians and 10 days ago it didn't matter.
Spicer started to include barrel bomb today as a "red line"and the WH quickly walked it back
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
This thread you created is a deflection.nice deflection. But for some reason chem weapons are treated separately evil.
Spicer started to include barrel bomb today as a "red line"and the WH quickly walked it back
Except for all the stories they did on it.
Yet not "one" story about the National Security Adviser being a blatant liar....not one story investigating the REAL PROBLEM, not that Syria had weapons of mass destruction...but the GOVERNMENT by proxy lied about it for political gain. This was not the only LIE coming from the National Security Adviser....she lied about the 4 murders in Benghazi another Government cover up. Where was the press?
And as far as Trump knowing and not caring? What power or authority did this reality TV star have over the NSA or anyone that makes foreign affairs decisions? Who did have the power? The press had the investigative power and did squat expect carry the water for the Obama Administration that directly caused this last chemical attack on innocent women and children.......Obama had the power of the US military to enforce his LINE IN THE SAND Bull Shit threat. The only power Trump had was.....to say to Clinton and Obama....YOU ARE FIRED I just kicked your ass. Now something is accomplished with a new sheriff in town.
This thread you created is a deflection.
T-cat.. it's front page WaPo..is this just more WaPo fake news?
T-cat.. it's front page WaPo..is this just more WaPo fake news?
If you are addressing a democrat....lying is the first thing they grab off the top shelf, Alinsky 101. Anything goes to gainer political power, the ends justify the means...that's why the left is called THE LEFT.
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
It can be front page anything... but... it is a distraction. Nobody cares that he used Chlorine gas on his civilians. And it's not a part of the banned chemicals in the non-proliferation agreement Syria signed. So it is a distraction from the current situation which is the strike against Syria. That wasn't done because of Chlorine.T-cat.. it's front page WaPo..is this just more WaPo fake news?
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
Trump knew all about Assad and his use of chemical weapons 10 days ago, knew all about his use of chlorine on civilians, and barrel bombs etc. Yet 10 days ago both his top foreign policy envoys said Assad remaining in power was up to the Syrians. It wasn't a major concern.Yet not "one" story about the National Security Adviser being a blatant liar....not one story investigating the REAL PROBLEM, not that Syria had weapons of mass destruction...but the GOVERNMENT by proxy lied about it for political gain. This was not the only LIE coming from the National Security Adviser....she lied about the 4 murders in Benghazi another Government cover up. Where was the press?
And as far as Trump knowing and not caring? What power or authority did this reality TV star have over the NSA or anyone that makes foreign affairs decisions? Who did have the power? The press had the investigative power and did squat expect carry the water for the Obama Administration that directly caused this last chemical attack on innocent women and children.......Obama had the power of the US military to enforce his LINE IN THE SAND Bull Shit threat. The only power Trump had was.....to say to Clinton and Obama....YOU ARE FIRED I just kicked your ass. Now something is accomplished with a new sheriff in town.
Trump knew all about Assad and his use of chemical weapons 10 days ago, knew all about his use of chlorine on civilians, and barrel bombs etc. Yet 10 days ago both his top foreign policy envoys said Assad remaining in power was up to the Syrians. It wasn't a major concern.
of course. President Xi was not here yet.
Cadillac Man
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We'll never know whether chemical weapons were removed from Syria. What we do know is that if removed, the ability to make them always exists.
I think it's a stretch to say who lied and what info was released at the time. If I remember, the administration based their claim on this:
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/a...-last-consignment-of-chemicals-leaving-syria/
but also remember hearing that there were suspicions at the time because two production sites and twelve other closed production facilities that that weren't checked. And when Kerry made his pronouncement he was a bit premature.
Here's a good article from Politifact, which is rethinking their original ruling now.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/
Since some of you won't read it, here's part. Sometimes there's more to the story than we know I don't like to make pronouncements one way.
I think it's a stretch to say who lied and what info was released at the time. If I remember, the administration based their claim on this:
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/a...-last-consignment-of-chemicals-leaving-syria/
but also remember hearing that there were suspicions at the time because two production sites and twelve other closed production facilities that that weren't checked. And when Kerry made his pronouncement he was a bit premature.
Here's a good article from Politifact, which is rethinking their original ruling now.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/
Since some of you won't read it, here's part. Sometimes there's more to the story than we know I don't like to make pronouncements one way.
We don’t know key details about the reported chemical attack in Syria on April 4, 2017, but it raises two clear possibilities: Either Syria never fully complied with its 2013 promise to reveal all of its chemical weapons; or it did, but then converted otherwise non-lethal chemicals to military uses.
One way or another, subsequent events have proved Kerry wrong.
In fact, international investigators concluded last year that the Syrian government had gamed the system.
In October 2016, a joint effort by the United Nations and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons reported that Syrian Arab Armed Forces had dropped chemical-laden bombs four times between 2014 and 2015. (That conclusive evidence was not available at the time of the original fact-check. One of our principles is that we rate statements based on what is known at the time.)
The U.N. group also found that Islamic State units had fired shells filled with sulfur mustard (mustard gas) in an attack in 2015.
Syrian forces used chlorine gas in 2014 and 2015. Brian Finlay, president of the Stimson Center, a military and defense think tank in Washington, noted that Syria promised to rid itself of sarin, mustard and VX, a nerve agent. But chlorine-based chemicals present a different challenge.
"They can be used for perfectly legitimate and essential civilian purposes today, and repurposed tomorrow to perpetrate heinous crimes like those we witnessed in Syria this week," Finlay said.
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
What do the statements made on March 30th by Tillerson and Haley have to do with Xi's trip?of course. President Xi was not here yet.
What do the statements made on March 30th by Tillerson and Haley have to do with Xi's trip?
the launch had to happen right before he met with trump for maximum intimidation. They could not let anything slip beforehand.
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
That makes no sense. The statements made on March 30 were made before Syria used Sarin on April 4th.the launch had to happen right before he met with trump for maximum intimidation. They could not let anything slip beforehand.
And really, I doubt the Chinese could give a shit.
That makes no sense. The statements made on March 30 were made before Syria used Sarin on April 4th.
And really, I doubt the Chinese could give a shit.
They do. The Chinese dont really believe the US is capable of pulling the trigger anymore both in the military and in the economy. This changes their paradigm and makes the negotiations go better.
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
Yeah because it had been so long since the US attacked another country. <eye roll>.They do. The Chinese dont really believe the US is capable of pulling the trigger anymore both in the military and in the economy. This changes their paradigm and makes the negotiations go better.
But no, it doesn't make sense. I'm talking about the statements made on March 30 where Tillerson and Haley both made statements that removing Assad wasn't a US goal. That had nothing to do with the Chinese.
Cadillac Man
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Trump didn't have the intel..it was common "knowledge" Qadaffi was "bombing civilians."
BAC and myself started to look carefully at the NTC (AQ alliance) - and the fact there was nothing corroborative about Qaddafi killing civilians.
But we were ones of the very very few that dug in.
Clinton was on the inside,
and she knowingly lied about "Viagra rape" when there never was any supporting evidence.
She knowingly ginned up regime change too- just like she did in Syria (friends of Syria)
I see this phrase all over and now know how to use it.. LOL WUT???
it's not banned because chlorine is dual use .Look what Kerry said about is when weaponized:It can be front page anything... but... it is a distraction. Nobody cares that he used Chlorine gas on his civilians. And it's not a part of the banned chemicals in the non-proliferation agreement Syria signed. So it is a distraction from the current situation which is the strike against Syria. That wasn't done because of Chlorine.
in 2015, Kerry slammed Syria for using chlorine in attacks against citizens, although Obama drew criticism for saying chlorine “historically has not been listed as a chemical weapon, but when it is used in this fashion, can be considered a prohibited use of that particular chemical.”
what do you mean "nobody cares?" -you showed coverage. If Assad used chlorine gas tomorrow would it be a "distraction"?
It's ridiculous to say one poison gas is a distraction,but another is a war crime