“Supreme Court likely to drop school voucher bombshell”

archives said:
“The public focus on upcoming Supreme Court rulings has been on Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling that legalized abortion nationwide. But the court will also soon be handing down a decision in another case that could cause an earthquake for public education.”

“The case is Carson v. Makin, which was brought to expand voucher policies that provide public money for private and religious education. In Carson v. Makin, the conservative majority of the Supreme Court is likely to require Maine officials to use public funding to subsidize religious teaching and proselytizing at schools that legally discriminate against people who don’t support their religious beliefs.”

“A Carson ruling in favor of the families may mean that states could be seen as “engaging in discrimination if they did not allow a church or religious entity to operate a publicly funded charter school as a religious school.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/27/supreme-court-school-voucher-bombshell/

This is going to be exciting come June/July, the Trump court is going to come out with decisions on abortion, guns, and now charter schools, and it wasn’t that long ago that conservatives told anyone who would listen that Judicial Restraint was one of their guiding principles. And then the Justices will come out questioning why the country thinks they are a joke

Can’t wait to see what happens when the Islamic school puts in for charter recognition and public funding
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Fascinating. I've always wanted to have my own School of Witchcraft. Now my dream might come true!
 
archives said:
You are aware that the majority of charter schools fail, and now by openly funding them, you are creating an entire industry where a shuckster can work the system to his own benefit, just think Trump U for primary schools
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Many years ago on another forum, there was a member called English Teacher. She taught in one of the public schools in New Orleans. She was a staunch conservative. But she loathed charter schools and said exactly what you just did. Grifters would rent out a store front, claim that they were a charter school so bring your ̶v̶o̶u̶c̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ children to us. They'd get the money and close up within months. She would get the students in the middle of the school year, far behind their public school peers. She said that they destroyed Louisiana's educational system. She's right. If you look at states ranked by education, Louisiana is close to the bottom.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state
 
archives said:
Couple of issues there, first, one of the reasons charter schools outperform public school is because they can pick their students and they can also flush students they don’t want, neither which a public school can do, they have to educate who ever appears at the door

And secondly, I find it hard to believe that a State as say Alabama or Kansas is going to acceptingly accept and fund the Islamic, or better yet, the Nation of Islam, school
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Poor anchovies, ever consider the constant disruptions, CRT, lowering the standards, and the woke idea that everyone gets a trophy that has destroyed our public schools has opened the door to parents who actually want their kids to learn history, math, and the ability to write in cursive.
 
Celticguy said:
I realize they COULD however they have demonstrated that they will not.
I was on another board a little while back and there was this muslim in England who kept posting reasons why Endland should employ something along the lines of vouchers for muslim schools. He refuses the idea of monitoring because there could not be non-muslims in the schools either as teachers or monitors.
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So your proof is something you read on a internet site from Europe?
 
dukkha said:
from the Atlantic -hardly RW
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/06/the-failure-of-american-schools/308497/
The Failure of American Schools
—about feckless politicians, recalcitrant unions, mediocre teachers, and other enduring obstacles to school reform.
While America’s students are stuck in a ditch, the rest of the world is moving ahead. The World Economic Forum ranks us 48th in math and science education. On international math tests, the United States is near the bottom of industrialized countries (the 34 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development), and we’re in the middle in science and reading. Similarly, although we used to have one of the top percentages of high-school and college graduates among the OECD countries, we’re now in the basement for high-school and the middle for college graduates. And these figures don’t take into account the leaps in educational attainment in China, Singapore, and many developing countries.
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So you see as the solution paying religious schools to teach kids?

Pretty obvious you missed the point, what are all these charter schools going to do if they have to teach all students, students they can’t reject from admittance, can’t flush bad students?
 
Bigdog said:
Wrong. This has nothing to do with white libs tacking on 200 SAT points to a Black child's score just to ensure he/she/they will start out at the very bottom of his/her/theirs class. Drop out and be burdened with student debt and no degree.

White lib females are vehemently opposed to school choice.

Flush? ... there are always academic bars that have to be reached to attend schools, even free public schools.

Charter schools ARE public schools :palm: We're talking about getting these kids into REAL private schools.
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Every time I read another winger poster’s I am further convinced they understand next to nothing when it comes to education, the “big chiwawa” didn’t disappoint
 
archives said:
So you see as the solution paying religious schools to teach kids?
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I can see you are ignorant about the voucher system.......the government doesn't pay religious schools anything.........they give the money to the kid's parents and let them decide who they want to pay to teach their kids........
 
meanwhile, I wonder why no one has noticed we have another leak in the SC.......and we haven't even caught the lib'rul son of a bitch who's doing it.......inexcusable........
 
archives said:
“The public focus on upcoming Supreme Court rulings has been on Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling that legalized abortion nationwide. But the court will also soon be handing down a decision in another case that could cause an earthquake for public education.”

“The case is Carson v. Makin, which was brought to expand voucher policies that provide public money for private and religious education. In Carson v. Makin, the conservative majority of the Supreme Court is likely to require Maine officials to use public funding to subsidize religious teaching and proselytizing at schools that legally discriminate against people who don’t support their religious beliefs.”

“A Carson ruling in favor of the families may mean that states could be seen as “engaging in discrimination if they did not allow a church or religious entity to operate a publicly funded charter school as a religious school.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/27/supreme-court-school-voucher-bombshell/

This is going to be exciting come June/July, the Trump court is going to come out with decisions on abortion, guns, and now charter schools, and it wasn’t that long ago that conservatives told anyone who would listen that Judicial Restraint was one of their guiding principles. And then the Justices will come out questioning why the country thinks they are a joke

Can’t wait to see what happens when the Islamic school puts in for charter recognition and public funding
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SUCK THE SUCK
 
Grokmaster said:
As long as the private schools meet state educational standards, what's the problem?

Parochial schools regularly blow away public schools academically, and the way vouchers work, they only take 1/2 of the $$ as a voucher for each student that goes to a private school ,leaving MORE MONEY, AND LESS STUDENTS for the public schools.


Public schools spend more per student than private schools, and fail miserably at STEM education of our kids.
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Exactly. So long as parents have the choice, and the school meets the state's standards for regular courses, why should anyone give a fuck if they include religion in their curricula? The only people that could object to that are Atheists (note the capital there meaning religious Atheists) and those opposed to religion in general.
 
archives said:
Could be with the Court’s decision in June
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If the Court rules it is discrimination against religion it might apply only to situations like Maine where there were no public school alternatives. That was the only reason the vouchers were created.
 
archives said:
Every time I read another winger poster’s I am further convinced they understand next to nothing when it comes to education, the “big chiwawa” didn’t disappoint
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I welcome you and the dem controlled racist teachers union to prove my statement false.

It is you white libs that keep changing the definition of words like "liberal" and "socialism" to deceive people.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Exactly. So long as parents have the choice, and the school meets the state's standards for regular courses, why should anyone give a fuck if they include religion in their curricula? The only people that could object to that are Atheists (note the capital there meaning religious Atheists) and those opposed to religion in general.
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The most Christian demographic is Black Americans. This is why the white libs want to deny Black parents the freedom to choose a religious faith school.

White libs hate black Americans, they especially hate Dr. Rev. MLK.
 
White Christians started and ran the abolitionist movements that eventually freed the slaves, ... and the white libs have never forgiven them for it.

It is the White lib that traps Blacks in the ghettos by denying them a good education and denying them police protection. It is the white lib policies that have destroyed traditional black families and promotes fatherlessness. And urges Black women to kill their children before they are born.

It is the White lib that imports Hispanic Whites and dumps them in Black neighborhoods to take their jobs, spread the China virus, and further burden an already overtaxed welfare system.
 
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