“Supreme Court likely to drop school voucher bombshell”

Celticguy said:
they wont be able to comply with educational requirements nor will they accept monitoring so kinda moot.
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Sure they will, can teach the basics, and according to what is expected in the SCOTUS, can’t be penalized for introducing religious beliefs, do you really think all those Catholic schools don’t include theology classes
 
archives said:
“The public focus on upcoming Supreme Court rulings has been on Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling that legalized abortion nationwide. But the court will also soon be handing down a decision in another case that could cause an earthquake for public education.”

“The case is Carson v. Makin, which was brought to expand voucher policies that provide public money for private and religious education. In Carson v. Makin, the conservative majority of the Supreme Court is likely to require Maine officials to use public funding to subsidize religious teaching and proselytizing at schools that legally discriminate against people who don’t support their religious beliefs.”

“A Carson ruling in favor of the families may mean that states could be seen as “engaging in discrimination if they did not allow a church or religious entity to operate a publicly funded charter school as a religious school.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/27/supreme-court-school-voucher-bombshell/

This is going to be exciting come June/July, the Trump court is going to come out with decisions on abortion, guns, and now charter schools, and it wasn’t that long ago that conservatives told anyone who would listen that Judicial Restraint was one of their guiding principles. And then the Justices will come out questioning why the country thinks they are a joke

Can’t wait to see what happens when the Islamic school puts in for charter recognition and public funding
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Yeah, or this school I read about started by atheists who want their children educated in strict accordance with non-belief in God.
 
Bigdog said:
Typical White Lib Female tries to divert to public charter schools.

What about the real white lib private schools? Why can't they be a choice for poor Black children?
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They can, and often are, remember you are the people who scream about the injustices of affirmative action

So you actually believe that a charter school is going to maintain its level of success if they have to take and educate everyone and anyone who shows up at their door? They can select, and flush, public schools can not
 
archives said:
Sure they will, can teach the basics, and according to what is expected in the SCOTUS, can’t be penalized for introducing religious beliefs, do you really think all those Catholic schools don’t include theology classes
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I realize they COULD however they have demonstrated that they will not.
I was on another board a little while back and there was this muslim in England who kept posting reasons why Endland should employ something along the lines of vouchers for muslim schools. He refuses the idea of monitoring because there could not be non-muslims in the schools either as teachers or monitors.
 
archives said:
It is an opinion piece from an opinion source, I could ping pong it endlessly with similar opinion pieces from left leaning partisan sources

Public schools aren’t trash, the overwhelming population of America has, and is, taught in public schools, you saying Americans are illiterate
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from the Atlantic -hardly RW
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/06/the-failure-of-american-schools/308497/
The Failure of American Schools
—about feckless politicians, recalcitrant unions, mediocre teachers, and other enduring obstacles to school reform.
While America’s students are stuck in a ditch, the rest of the world is moving ahead. The World Economic Forum ranks us 48th in math and science education. On international math tests, the United States is near the bottom of industrialized countries (the 34 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development), and we’re in the middle in science and reading. Similarly, although we used to have one of the top percentages of high-school and college graduates among the OECD countries, we’re now in the basement for high-school and the middle for college graduates. And these figures don’t take into account the leaps in educational attainment in China, Singapore, and many developing countries.
 
archives said:
Sure they will, can teach the basics, and according to what is expected in the SCOTUS, can’t be penalized for introducing religious beliefs, do you really think all those Catholic schools don’t include theology classes
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Are those Catholic schools publicly funded?
 
We essentially already have vouchers in higher education. Students get Pell Grants and can go to any college they choose including private and religious institutions.

Students must attend an accredited college, but, since many of the private for-profit schools cannot meet those standards they created their own accreditation agency which qualifies for the grants.
 
The Republican appointed justices should be dragged out onto the street in chains and stoned to death, especially since they seem to have towelhead morals anyway.
Good luck enforcing that vouchers mandate, by the way. The SCOTUS doesn't have a police force or army.
 
Flash said:
We essentially already have vouchers in higher education. Students get Pell Grants and can go to any college they choose including private and religious institutions.

Students must attend an accredited college, but, since many of the private for-profit schools cannot meet those standards they created their own accreditation agency which qualifies for the grants.
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Topic is public schools, not universities.
 
Flash said:
How is a state giving vouchers for higher ed different than vouchers for public school from a constitutional perspective? The case certainly compares these two issues.
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Children are required by law to attend school. No law requires university enrollment.
 
Grokmaster said:
As long as the private schools meet state educational standards, what's the problem?

Parochial schools regularly blow away public schools academically, and the way vouchers work, they only take 1/2 of the $$ as a voucher for each student that goes to a private school ,leaving MORE MONEY, AND LESS STUDENTS for the public schools.


Public schools spend more per student than private schools, and fail miserably at STEM education of our kids.
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Bullshit
 
BidenPresident said:
I have no idea what is happening in Maine.
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The case is about a Maine policy giving vouchers to children in those areas with no public schools that they can only use to attend non-religious schools. That is being challenged as religious discrimination.
 
archives said:
They can, and often are, remember you are the people who scream about the injustices of affirmative action

So you actually believe that a charter school is going to maintain its level of success if they have to take and educate everyone and anyone who shows up at their door? They can select, and flush, public schools can not
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Wrong. This has nothing to do with white libs tacking on 200 SAT points to a Black child's score just to ensure he/she/they will start out at the very bottom of his/her/theirs class. Drop out and be burdened with student debt and no degree.

White lib females are vehemently opposed to school choice.

Flush? ... there are always academic bars that have to be reached to attend schools, even free public schools.

Charter schools ARE public schools :palm: We're talking about getting these kids into REAL private schools.
 
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archives said:
Sure they will, can teach the basics, and according to what is expected in the SCOTUS, can’t be penalized for introducing religious beliefs, do you really think all those Catholic schools don’t include theology classes
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Racial Jungles Joe brags about his Catholic School upbringing. Like Pelosi, he says being a Catholic makes his ethics and character unimpugnable.
 
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