SUPERBOWL another slap in the face for trump and his band of trait

I have a friend who asked me to read White Fragility last summer. She is white, straight, and cisgender. She has lived in the majority (except for being female) her whole life. I am non-white, non-straight, and cisgender. I can't remember a time when I was ever in the majority (except for during some closed events, like certain small celebrations and parties). I read the book with great interest. I marked about a half dozen passages, including this one:

"If you stand close to a birdcage and press your face against the wires, your perception of the bars will disappear and you will have an almost unobstructed view of the bird. If you turn your head to examine one wire of the cage closely, you will not be able to see the other wires. If your understanding of the cage is based on this myopic view, you may not understand why the bird doesn't just go around the single wire and fly away. You might even assume that the bird liked or chose its place in the cage."

I do not agree that, "If you are white, you are racist." In fact, I find that rather insulting. I quoted the metaphor because I think it can instruct well-intentioned white people. Without having the experience of being a minority, there is only so much intellectual exploration a person can do about racism and discrimination. In that case, privileged white Americans who look too closely to the issues can miss the forest for the trees. There is another implication to that quote, but it's not for this post. I don't think that white Americans are automatically racist, but I do take with a grain of salt anyone's opinion on minority conditions who has never lived as a minority.

To directly answer your last question, I have said for a very long time that I believe that all people everywhere should live somewhere as a minority for at least three years. It is probably most informative to exist as a racial minority, but religious minorities, sexual minorities, and women also deal with issues of discrimination that transform perspective. The US is so insular, so culturally incurious, and so geographically isolated that most white people's perception is never going to include anything other than white people's perception because there is no exposure to anything else. Having black and gay and Muslim friends is all fine and good. Sympathy makes the world a better place. Empathy is better.

I thought your comment that saying all white people are racist was insulting to be interesting. On one hand I totally get what you are saying. At the same time we're all human, which means we're all flawed and no matter how hard we try we still have biases. So even the most well meaning people aren't 100% free from prejudices. Now I get if more were like the latter, rather than the blatantly racist, the world would be better.

I'll share a discussion I was having yesterday with a good buddy which is why this is on the brain. His wife works closely Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf. Schaar is a progressive, white, Jewish woman (my buddy describes her as a Kamala Democrat, same Bay Area 'coaching' tree if you will). During her term Schaaf has spoken out openly against Trump. She's called him a racist, said racism won't be accepted in Oakland etc. etc. Crime in Oakland has been on a big uptick. Chinatown is an area that has been hit hard. Schaaf gave a speech last week in Chinatown addressing the issue. A couple of (black) women on the City Counsel and activists called her speech racist and said she was using right wing divide and conquer tactics.

This can likely be chalked up to political opportunism. And I'm sure most people who are asked about Schaaf wouldn't call her racist (pretty hard to get elected in Oakland if you're a known racist). I asked my buddy about these charges and he just rolled his eyes.

I know politics, and political opportunism, can be separate from our own beliefs and how we conduct ourselves as individuals. But when even this woman is being accused of racism, does it lend credence to the argument that all white people - even to a degree - are racist? (and I'm asking this for the sake of discussion since tone can be difficult to determine on here at times)
 
Fuck you and the ass you rode in on.

You have no voice of any consequence.

my voice is that of 1 but isnt that how it is for all of us.
I respectability decline to fuck you , sorry I'm not gay.And you should know in most parts of the world its considered abnormal to have sex with a jackass
 
I thought your comment that saying all white people are racist was insulting to be interesting. On one hand I totally get what you are saying. At the same time we're all human, which means we're all flawed and no matter how hard we try we still have biases. So even the most well meaning people aren't 100% free from prejudices. Now I get if more were like the latter, rather than the blatantly racist, the world would be better.

I'll share a discussion I was having yesterday with a good buddy which is why this is on the brain. His wife works closely Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf. Schaar is a progressive, white, Jewish woman (my buddy describes her as a Kamala Democrat, same Bay Area 'coaching' tree if you will). During her term Schaaf has spoken out openly against Trump. She's called him a racist, said racism won't be accepted in Oakland etc. etc. Crime in Oakland has been on a big uptick. Chinatown is an area that has been hit hard. Schaaf gave a speech last week in Chinatown addressing the issue. A couple of (black) women on the City Counsel and activists called her speech racist and said she was using right wing divide and conquer tactics.

This can likely be chalked up to political opportunism. And I'm sure most people who are asked about Schaaf wouldn't call her racist (pretty hard to get elected in Oakland if you're a known racist). I asked my buddy about these charges and he just rolled his eyes.

I know politics, and political opportunism, can be separate from our own beliefs and how we conduct ourselves as individuals. But when even this woman is being accused of racism, does it lend credence to the argument that all white people - even to a degree - are racist? (and I'm asking this for the sake of discussion since tone can be difficult to determine on here at times)

I think I'm interpreting your tone that way you're intending it. It's a good question. My friend who recommended White Fragility to me shares the opinion of your FB friend. That is, she believes that all white Americans are racist. Period. She is white, Jewish, affluent, and from an affluent family from one of the whitest parts of the US. After I read the book we talked about it pretty extensively.

While I think that it's far better to think that everyone is racist rather than no one is racist, which many people who lean right politically constantly tell me, I'm not sure it's fair to put 237 million people into a box from which they can never escape. White people have more to do to address racism than any other group of people, but there is a difference between understanding/sensitivity/wokeness and white guilt. That's why I say that white Americans who have never been on the receiving end of discrimination in any meaningful way are more or less incapable of fully understanding and perceiving racism and therefore, probably have some racist tendencies themselves -- no matter how good there intentions are.

There are white Americans, though, however small in number, who have lived abroad as minorities. That's different than a white person living in a predominantly black community and attending a predominantly black school. I do believe that the vast majority of white Americans are either overtly racist, unintentionally racist, or simply don't fully understand racism. If they have no chance of ever eliminating racism from their being, though, many of them will simply give up trying.
 
Eyes on Tampa over the next few weeks to see if the Superbowl becomes the Super Spreader Bowl.

Was the event safe?

Or will it lead to increased death rates.

Seems pretty irresponsible to allow bars to be open at full capacity.

The event itself didn't look super dangerous, but all that partying during and after off-premises? Oy vey.
 
And we are kicking your asses more and more every time. I liked the amniotic fluid simile. Never heard that used before. It's somewhat apt in that people are oblivious to their privileged condition.
Nobody likes to be beaten over the head with something especially when they don't want to believe it's true. Woke and obstinate is still woke.;) After that it's just a hate- fear problem.
"What will life be like for me when there is more racial justice?" their consciences ask them. I bet it will be a nicer world.

The left and SJW’s will ensure that we will never quite get there lol.

It’s a power scam. If white people disappeared today the world would remain full of racists—particularly, with the way the term is thrown around today.
 
There are white Americans, though, however small in number, who have lived abroad as minorities. That's different than a white person living in a predominantly black community and attending a predominantly black school. I do believe that the vast majority of white Americans are either overtly racist, unintentionally racist, or simply don't fully understand racism. If they have no chance of ever eliminating racism from their being, though, many of them will simply give up trying.

I think you are correct about that. Unless you have experienced bigotry yourself, particularly in situations where the person treating you poorly has some sort of power over you, it is difficult to understand. I've never lived abroad. But I have lived in and worked in (and currently) gone to school where I was a minority.
 
I think you are correct about that. Unless you have experienced bigotry yourself, particularly in situations where the person treating you poorly has some sort of power over you, it is difficult to understand. I've never lived abroad. But I have lived in and worked in (and currently) gone to school where I was a minority.

I actually think that is the most dangerous and most intractable aspect of racism today. Skinheads, for example, are not likely to change nor, in most cases, will they be trustworthy allies even if they do change. Their racism is overt, oftentimes illegal, and can be disregarded if a person tries hard enough.

The real problem with racism in the US now are those people who simply don't get it. They are sure within their hearts that they themselves are not racist. They have never experienced meaningful discrimination in that lopsided power dynamic you described. Therefore, they tend to operate in the blissful ignorance that racism is either "fixed" or it simply isn't a problem of any real magnitude anymore. That is the biggest hurdle. If someone doesn't perceive a problem, they certainly aren't going to contemplate a solution.
 
I actually think that is the most dangerous and most intractable aspect of racism today. Skinheads, for example, are not likely to change nor, in most cases, will they be trustworthy allies even if they do change. Their racism is overt, oftentimes illegal, and can be disregarded if a person tries hard enough.

The real problem with racism in the US now are those people who simply don't get it. They are sure within their hearts that they themselves are not racist. They have never experienced meaningful discrimination in that lopsided power dynamic you described. Therefore, they tend to operate in the blissful ignorance that racism is either "fixed" or it simply isn't a problem of any real magnitude anymore. That is the biggest hurdle. If someone doesn't perceive a problem, they certainly aren't going to contemplate a solution.

That last is very true, IMO. I don't think that it's fair to say that ppl who are unaware are truly racist though. My husband is an example of that. He grew up in rural Illinois, went to college, moved to the suburbs of St. Louis where there were better opportunities in his field (IT). He said once that he never worked with or even went to school with any black people. So that made him wonder if maybe they weren't as smart as white people. I pointed out that my daughter-in-law, who is black, majored in engineering and has a masters degree just like he does. Then he started hanging out with me and my work friends. He saw that they were just as funny, kooky, and as bright as we are. What impressed him the most was how many of them were still going to school PT to improve their earning potential. He just needed exposure to people not like him to realize that we're not much different. Interestingly, his two best friends at his job were women. One is white, the other Indian.
 
I think I'm interpreting your tone that way you're intending it. It's a good question. My friend who recommended White Fragility to me shares the opinion of your FB friend. That is, she believes that all white Americans are racist. Period. She is white, Jewish, affluent, and from an affluent family from one of the whitest parts of the US. After I read the book we talked about it pretty extensively.

While I think that it's far better to think that everyone is racist rather than no one is racist, which many people who lean right politically constantly tell me, I'm not sure it's fair to put 237 million people into a box from which they can never escape. White people have more to do to address racism than any other group of people, but there is a difference between understanding/sensitivity/wokeness and white guilt. That's why I say that white Americans who have never been on the receiving end of discrimination in any meaningful way are more or less incapable of fully understanding and perceiving racism and therefore, probably have some racist tendencies themselves -- no matter how good there intentions are.

There are white Americans, though, however small in number, who have lived abroad as minorities. That's different than a white person living in a predominantly black community and attending a predominantly black school. I do believe that the vast majority of white Americans are either overtly racist, unintentionally racist, or simply don't fully understand racism. If they have no chance of ever eliminating racism from their being, though, many of them will simply give up trying.

I completely agree with you about not wanting to put everyone in boxes. Now it's possible you and I have different visions of what that entails but to me it can cause people to lose their individuality based on group identity. I have a young daughter. I don't want her growing up thinking she can't do something because she's a girl. I mentioned before I grew up in Oakland. I went to diverse schools. Had people from all walks of life economically, racially, ethnically and religiously. I can remember vividly today, over 30 years later, conversations among classmates when someone would say 'you can't do this because you are X (background)'. It would hurt to hear that someone wouldn't pursue their goals/dreams because of that mindset.

(had a call and totally lost my train of thought for the remainder of what I was going to say. I'll add later if it comes back to me and discussion is continued)
 
I have a friend who asked me to read White Fragility last summer. She is white, straight, and cisgender. She has lived in the majority (except for being female) her whole life. I am non-white, non-straight, and cisgender. I can't remember a time when I was ever in the majority (except for during some closed events, like certain small celebrations and parties). I read the book with great interest. I marked about a half dozen passages, including this one:

"If you stand close to a birdcage and press your face against the wires, your perception of the bars will disappear and you will have an almost unobstructed view of the bird. If you turn your head to examine one wire of the cage closely, you will not be able to see the other wires. If your understanding of the cage is based on this myopic view, you may not understand why the bird doesn't just go around the single wire and fly away. You might even assume that the bird liked or chose its place in the cage."

I do not agree that, "If you are white, you are racist." In fact, I find that rather insulting. I quoted the metaphor because I think it can instruct well-intentioned white people. Without having the experience of being a minority, there is only so much intellectual exploration a person can do about racism and discrimination. In that case, privileged white Americans who look too closely to the issues can miss the forest for the trees. There is another implication to that quote, but it's not for this post. I don't think that white Americans are automatically racist, but I do take with a grain of salt anyone's opinion on minority conditions who has never lived as a minority.

To directly answer your last question, I have said for a very long time that I believe that all people everywhere should live somewhere as a minority for at least three years. It is probably most informative to exist as a racial minority, but religious minorities, sexual minorities, and women also deal with issues of discrimination that transform perspective. The US is so insular, so culturally incurious, and so geographically isolated that most white people's perception is never going to include anything other than white people's perception because there is no exposure to anything else. Having black and gay and Muslim friends is all fine and good. Sympathy makes the world a better place. Empathy is better.

Looking at your last sentence again it made me think of my family moving to Oakland in 1981. At the time Oakland was 47% black so technically we were a minority in Oakland. But the Bay Area still had a majority white people so it's not quite the same as say travelling to China and being a true minority in the country.

This guy writes a column on racial issues in the Bay Area and sort of addresses what you are saying. I get why we frame racial issues in terms of black and white. But in the Bay Area we have a large Asian, Hispanic and even Indian contingent. I know certain places in the country really are mostly white and black but not here. I read this and do my best to put myself in his shoes and understand his position. I've ridden BART for years. Maybe during commute rush hours the ridership is a little bit whiter, but often it looks like the U.N. with people from all walks of life using it. And I've rarely seen people removed from BART. If anyone has it's because they are likely homeless/on drugs and harassing people or maybe jumped the turnstile. But they don't just throw people off the train.

And its interesting to hear this because we're not in the Deep South. This is the Bay Area where we celebrate diversity and open mindedness. Here's this gentleman's position.




Being Black in the Bay Area means code-switching to keep white people comfortable


During a recent trip to Whole Foods in Oakland, while stocking up on Thanksgiving ingredients, I overheard an employee near the checkout counter tell a customer to be careful while walking to their car. Apparently, there was a naked Black man roaming around outside, possibly armed with a knife.

The customer didn’t react much outside of a curt nod and a quiet “thanks,” before shuffling toward the exit. Not long after, during the same visit, I saw two teenagers sprint out of the store with some stolen items. Each was wearing a mask and hoodie. My first thought: “I hope they weren’t Black, too.”

As far as I knew, I was the only Black non-employee in the store. And, for the rest of my time shopping, I could feel myself trying to convey some unrequested sign of civility to the white people around me. I was smiling with my eyes whenever another shopper’s gaze caught my own. When it was my turn to check out, I could hear myself using a voice with the worker at the register that was slightly softer, more cordial and maybe an octave higher than normal.

Some instinct was telling me to adjust my speech, my body language, all in an effort to optimize the comfort of non-Black people around me. I was code-switching, trying to blend in with the crowd around me by altering how I talked, or the way I was standing. It’s akin to telling someone, “I know you’ve seen Black people do bad things before, but don’t worry, I’m one of the good ones.”

I never did this so easily, so instinctively, before moving to this part of California. But code-switching became part of my daily routine during my early days here, while taking BART from Oakland to San Francisco. I noticed how often Black people were arrested or at least escorted off of BART trains, usually leaving me as the lone Black passenger for the rest of my early-morning rides into the city. The whole time, I could feel myself trying to smile when locking eyes with a white person. I often felt I was overthinking these moments, until I made more Black friends in the region and we commiserated over these shared experiences.

It makes me wonder: Is it possible to be Black in the Bay Area without code-switching?

If the past few months have taught us anything in 2020, it’s that the answer is no. Just last week, a Black man in Discovery Bay was confronted by a white neighbor who asked him, “Why don’t you act like a white person in a white neighborhood?” The incident was caught on the security footage and on cell phone video.

What stuck with me was how calm the Black man in the video, Gerritt Jones, was being toward the woman on his property. His tone was familiar. I once used it while talking to a police officer who pulled me over for driving “too slow” in Berkeley. I’ve seen Black friends talk to employees this way at Starbucks, knowing it isn’t uncommon for these places to call the cops on Black people for suspected loitering. It’s the voice of reason while talking with an unreasonable person.

As Black people, we have to actively take on the role of pre-emptively de-escalating situations. Part of the reason is because we’re aware of how few of us there are in this region, and our extended interactions with white people, good or bad, might be the only conversations they have with a Black person for days, weeks or months at a time. It’s better to be cool, calm and collected than to reciprocate their anger.

By putting on this choreographed social performance, we’re stifling who we are as people, which is the foundation of code-switching.

Much of America is pushing for racial progress, and in the Bay Area, these efforts include local businesses trying to hire and promote Black people. It would be nice if the Black folks in the next wave in these positions don’t have to code-switch while at work.

This might mean a Black person using their full first name, even if it’s one that happens to be unusual to white people, instead of a shortened version or nickname. Or feeling like they don’t have to dress exactly like their white co-workers, or refrain from commenting on a race-based issue within their office because they don’t want to risk appearing “angry.”

It’s a hope I shared with my parents during a recent call as they walked me through Thanksgiving dinner recipes, including my mom’s macaroni and cheese and a banana pudding.

There’s a lot I have to be thankful for this year, despite how trying 2020 has been for all of us. And this reflection on blessings has also spotlighted the things I’m hopeful for, including how the idea of code-switching could one day be a thing of the past. All it would take is for the Bay Area’s non-Black populace to do one simple thing: Allow Black people to act like ourselves in your presence.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...he-Bay-Area-means-code-switching-15754109.php
 
I completely agree with you about not wanting to put everyone in boxes. Now it's possible you and I have different visions of what that entails but to me it can cause people to lose their individuality based on group identity. I have a young daughter. I don't want her growing up thinking she can't do something because she's a girl. I mentioned before I grew up in Oakland. I went to diverse schools. Had people from all walks of life economically, racially, ethnically and religiously. I can remember vividly today, over 30 years later, conversations among classmates when someone would say 'you can't do this because you are X (background)'. It would hurt to hear that someone wouldn't pursue their goals/dreams because of that mindset.

(had a call and totally lost my train of thought for the remainder of what I was going to say. I'll add later if it comes back to me and discussion is continued)

That, to me, is one of the hardest parts of navigating the white American experience with racism. I don't want anyone to ever tell your daughter that there is anything in the world she can't accomplish. I don't want anyone to ever tell a white American that they are confined to being racist no matter how hard they try. On the other hand, unless white Americans put themselves in a minority's shoes, there's only so much perspective they can share with minorities. Understanding and tolerance and sympathy are all great, but in order to take the next big step toward addressing racism, minorities need to be given the loudest voice in the room; and the majority needs to use its unbending power to listen to and support them.
 
I actually think that is the most dangerous and most intractable aspect of racism today. Skinheads, for example, are not likely to change nor, in most cases, will they be trustworthy allies even if they do change. Their racism is overt, oftentimes illegal, and can be disregarded if a person tries hard enough.

The real problem with racism in the US now are those people who simply don't get it. They are sure within their hearts that they themselves are not racist. They have never experienced meaningful discrimination in that lopsided power dynamic you described. Therefore, they tend to operate in the blissful ignorance that racism is either "fixed" or it simply isn't a problem of any real magnitude anymore. That is the biggest hurdle. If someone doesn't perceive a problem, they certainly aren't going to contemplate a solution.

The only problem is buttnuggets like you with racism on the brain.
 
That, to me, is one of the hardest parts of navigating the white American experience with racism. I don't want anyone to ever tell your daughter that there is anything in the world she can't accomplish. I don't want anyone to ever tell a white American that they are confined to being racist no matter how hard they try. On the other hand, unless white Americans put themselves in a minority's shoes, there's only so much perspective they can share with minorities. Understanding and tolerance and sympathy are all great, but in order to take the next big step toward addressing racism, minorities need to be given the loudest voice in the room; and the majority needs to use its unbending power to listen to and support them.

"White men shut up and sit down, you dont count".

"And follow the instructions you are given"

"OBEY!"





barf
 
Trump desperately tried to CANCEL the NFL last year as he attacked players who took a knee to protest racial injustices, specifically racist murders of African-Americans by police. Trump claimed the league would fold and go broke, and he did everything he could to make that happen. He attacked the protests, proclaimed that kneeling players were “unpatriotic””and his band of goons followed his attempt to CANCEL the league, quick to point out lower attendance and gleefully hoping the NFL would go under.

Fast forward to today and trump has been kicked out of office in a humiliating defeat losing the election by over 7 million votes and he was impeached again solidified his place in history as the worst president to ever enter the Oval Office. Now he is facing even further disgrace for his traitorous role in the attack on the Capitol and American democracy, but it doesn’t stop there as he will soon be facing criminal charges for tax evasion and other criminal behavior along with his criminal family.

His supporters have proven themselves to be absolute morons and the true traitors with many of them behind bars and on their way to prison With long sentences. Many politicians who supported him find themselves ostracized and rejected, leaving trump’s party broken and in the wilderness, no longer able to hide behind the facade of “patriotism.”ever again.

As for the NFL that trump and his goons tried to destroy ..

MOST VALUABLE SPORTS FRANCHISES 2020, COWBOYS TOP THE WORLD AT 5.5 BILLION. NFL FEATURES 27 OUT OF 50 OF THE WORLD’S RICHEST .. EVEN IN A PANDEMIC

FORBES’ ANNUAL RANKING OF THE MOST VALUABLE TEAMS IN THE WORLD IS CHOCK FULL OF NFL REPRESENTATION

The Covid 19 pandemic was expected to disrupt MFL revenue so much that the league revised its collective bargaining agreement to spread expected losses over the course of several seasons. In terms of valuation however. Most teams are doing just fine. Forbes released its annual list of the world’s most valuable sports teams on Friday, and more than half of this years top 50 teams worldwide come from the NFL, with the Dallas Cowboys topping the list FOR THE 5TH YEAR IN A ROW.

No sports league has has seen tram values rise faster over the last decade THAN THE NBA, but the NFL still reihns supreme. Even the loest team in the MFL, the Tampa Bay Buchaneerd are valued at 23 Billion (and after today’s Super Bowl, even its fortunes will rise.

cbssports!com

And as for the players that trump wanted to CANCEL

NFL SALARY CAP EXPECTED TO RISE TO 200M IM 2020 THE SEVENTH STRAIGHT YEAR WITH A 10M INCREASE

cbssports.com

SUPER BOWL: SLAP IN THE FACE OF TRUMP'S CRITICS=NO ONE KNEELING DURING ANTHEM
TAKE THAT FUCKHEAD LEFT MORONS....
 
"White men shut up and sit down, you dont count".

"And follow the instructions you are given"

"OBEY!"





barf

Go fuck yourself, drug addict. You old, white assholes have been destroying the world for centuries. I never said anything about silencing white people. I said they need to shut the fuck up for once and listen.
 
Go fuck yourself, drug addict. You old, white assholes have been destroying the world for centuries.

Said the Korean who's family originates from a place that has half of its population living in darkness, starvation, serfdom, and under total despotic rule complete with media blackouts for anything other than govt approved propaganda.

And btw....... that half of Korea that lives in freedom ? They were brought that freedom by the very same old white men you claim have destroyed the world. They couldnt do it themselves. The old white men did it for them out of pity and sense of responsibility.....

Just to the north,.... a much bigger country who's original leader, Mao , literally MURDERED 80 million of his own people. You sound silly.....
 
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