The studies of suicide rates correlated with gun ownership.
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The studies of suicide rates correlated with gun ownership.
Real Scientific....no? "There's something about living in Trump country that makes one commit suicide yet you have no Objective proof.....just Something about....something? Yet you wholesale attempt to discredit the known objective fact that elites (the spoiled) and queers have a far greater rate of suicide than any other individuals? Again....without any objective evidence to support your subjective bullshit?
And the DATA suggests? Really more applied science? Suggests is a real scientific term...no? The truth? Suicides are on the rise because of a decline in societal moralities and the basic family unit where individuals are instructed in morality via a family instead of a village.
Again I must point to an old and confirmed adage, "Figures don't lie.....but LIARS sure as hell figure."
You pretend there are no large portions (Metro Areas) in the states that Mr. Trump won that are just as blue as the sky. For instance in states such as WVa. There is basically a split in the voter demography.....50% Red, 50% blue. Even in states like TEXAS you have large cities infested with PROGRESSIVES and their immoral practices.....(wink, wink) HOUSTON...etc., Name any state there are large populations of liberals.
FACTS your stats conveniently OMITTED. Fact: Just like a computer...stats, graphs, and charts are only as truthful as the person who LOADS the information to be measured. I recognize stats just like I do the polls, they can be and are skewed to represent the interests of the one's formatting them. Hillary by a 95% lock. Some truth found there …… no?
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USFREEDOM911
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I didn't ask you about that; because what I responded to was:
This would mean you would have to have data that supports your conclusion.
Do you have any or is this just another JPP liberal "guess"??
Part of what is happening in all the higher-income areas is that people arrive for the opportunity, then later leave with their bankroll. It's actually a pretty smart strategy, and one I'm considering for myself. I currently live in NYC. It's a great spot to make your fortune -- lots of very high-paying jobs, and a dynamic economy where your chance of getting in on the ground floor of something that ends up big is excellent. It's also a playground for the young, in terms of great night-life, great culture, great dating, etc. But it's not somewhere I see myself in 40 years. Probably some day I'll move -- maybe just to the suburbs, and maybe somewhere to a cheap part of America where I can live like a queen on the money I made in my New York years. New York isn't really a great spot for the old.
With California, it's a bit different, in that you don't have the climate driving people south as they age. But you do have the high home values. The median list price per square foot for a home in California $320. In Texas it's $125. You could sell a 2000-square foot home in California, for $640,000, buy the same thing in Texas for $250,000, and have $390,000 left over -- enough to pay for a decent retirement, after you add in a couple Social Security income streams. Why not do so?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,
A 9th grade class is not a representative cross-section of America. It all depends on where that class is located as to what the majority of political views might be. And of course we cannot forget. It makes sense that more people supported Hillary. Hillary got more votes. Millions more.
If you want to experience the flip-side of dealing with political loss, try to imagine Trump losing in 2020. I am having a very hard time picturing Trump supporters dealing with that very well. They wouldn't let it go. They'd be carrying on about rigged elections, fake news, whatever. Anything but accept the outcome. Even if upheld by court decision they would be calling the judges partisan. We would be really lucky if there wasn't violence over it. Some of these people are wrestling fans. Trump belongs on the Jerry Springer Show, not in the White House. He's far better suited for that than his current dig. He's not presidential. He is an embarrassment. Anyone who supports him overlooks a lot. The major of London is correct.
A 9th grade class is not a representative cross-section of America. It all depends on where that class is located as to what the majority of political views might be. And of course we cannot forget. It makes sense that more people supported Hillary. Hillary got more votes. Millions more.
If you want to experience the flip-side of dealing with political loss, try to imagine Trump losing in 2020. I am having a very hard time picturing Trump supporters dealing with that very well. They wouldn't let it go. They'd be carrying on about rigged elections, fake news, whatever. Anything but accept the outcome. Even if upheld by court decision they would be calling the judges partisan. We would be really lucky if there wasn't violence over it. Some of these people are wrestling fans. Trump belongs on the Jerry Springer Show, not in the White House. He's far better suited for that than his current dig. He's not presidential. He is an embarrassment. Anyone who supports him overlooks a lot. The major of London is correct.
How disappointing; I thought this was a thread about you contemplating suicide. Instead, it is just another lie filled partisan screed.
Yes, exactly. If I weren't being scientific, I'd be offering up wild speculation as if it were objective reality. Instead, I'm showing the strong correlation and inviting hypotheses about what might be behind it.
Suicide rates rise as you go DOWN the income ladder:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5463019/
Yes.
Suicide rates are higher in more conservative areas. That's not what we'd expect if it was about a decline in traditional morality. However, I suppose it's possible that "societal moralities" have declined disproportionately in those conservative areas. What, specifically, did you have in mind?
Take a look at the county data. Even within states, you'll see higher suicide rates in rural counties than urban ones. Why do you suppose that is?
Exactly. The studies I mentioned. If you'd like a link, just ask nicely.
Real Scientific....no? "There's something about living in Trump country that makes one commit suicide yet you have no Objective proof.....just Something about....something? Yet you wholesale attempt to discredit the known objective fact that elites (the spoiled) and queers have a far greater rate of suicide than any other individuals? Again....without any objective evidence to support your subjective bullshit?
And the DATA suggests? Really more applied science? Suggests is a real scientific term...no? The truth? Suicides are on the rise because of a decline in societal moralities and the basic family unit where individuals are instructed in morality via a family instead of a village.
Again I must point to an old and confirmed adage, "Figures don't lie.....but LIARS sure as hell figure."
You pretend there are no large portions (Metro Areas) in the states that Mr. Trump won that are just as blue as the sky. For instance in states such as WVa. There is basically a split in the voter demography.....50% Red, 50% blue. Even in states like TEXAS you have large cities infested with PROGRESSIVES and their immoral practices.....(wink, wink) HOUSTON...etc., Name any state there are large populations of liberals.
FACTS your stats conveniently OMITTED. Fact: Just like a computer...stats, graphs, and charts are only as truthful as the person who LOADS the information to be measured. I recognize stats just like I do the polls, they can be and are skewed to represent the interests of the one's formatting them. Hillary by a 95% lock. Some truth found there …… no?
Here's that county data, if you missed it:
https://www.governing.com/gov-data/health/county-suicide-death-rates-map.html
Take Texas, as an example, since you cited it. The highest rates are in Tyler and Leon county, each with a suicide rate of 26.7. They're both rural counties. Harris County, home to Houston, is at 10.4 -- shitty by liberal-region standards, but excellent for Texas. Travis County, home of Austin, is at 12.4, which also isn't bad by Texas standards. Travis and Harris County each went to Clinton over Trump by large margins. Tyler and Leon went for Trump by overwhelming margins. So, again, even within states, you'll find the places where people are conservative tend to be suicidally depressed, while those where people are liberal are doing pretty well, in terms of mental health. The question is why. Got any theories?
USFREEDOM911
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cawacko
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Here is what I wrote:
""Why has California continually lost population within the U.S.?""
You are not only lying you are doubling down on your lie. Or do you not understand what population within the U.S. means? Do you not understand migration between states and what that entails?
Hilarious to see people who supposedly live here not understanding it either.
Cawacko, don't you think it's weird that more than one person is calling attention to your deceptive posting style?
This isn't the first time this criticism has been leveled at you.
You routinely and habitually fall back on sophistic arguments, you frequently cherry pick data and numbers, and you always appeal to authority when you cannot explain yourself.
A great example is the "supplemental poverty rate" that you've been so keen on...when asked what that rate entails, what its details are, and what it means, you completely clam up. Instead of explaining that measurement, you just appeal to authority while continuing to repeat it.
You're a fraud.
Also, you're "pretty dumb" on this subject.
But it hasn't because its population continues to grow.
You are trying to focus on the people who may have left, and using that in a vacuum to somehow argue that CA is bad because look at the people leaving it in this narrow window I cherry picked; but while you make that shitty argument, you ignore the data that shows CA's population growing, both via immigration and live births in the state.
You are using a hack argument from 2012 (and it was a hack argument then, too), and because you are incapable of ever evolving on a topic (because in your own words, you're "pretty dumb"), you fall into the trap of repeating bullshit while refusing to be held accountable for doing so.
You're an entitled, privileged jerk.
The problem is that you're using this very tenuous, narrow figure to paint a false picture of CA; namely by cherry picking migration out of the state, and by ignoring migration to the state along with live births, you are trying to create an impression that CA is losing population because of its policies. So you are making a false argument that liberal CA policies are bad because of cherry-picked data from a very narrow window that just happens to confirm your bias.
But lost in that cherry-picked data was migration to California, as well as live births in the state, and immigration.
Also, the people who left? To where did they go and why? I used to live in CA, but now live in GA because my spouse got a higher-paying job that advanced her career at the CDC.
So according to you, it was liberal policies that drove me out of CA and not my spouse getting a good job at the CDC.
That, my friends, is why Cawacko is and always will be full of shit.
Yep. And as I showed, not only has it not lost population within the US, it's gained it. The population of California has grown every year. At first, I was willing to dismiss your statement as a mere example of ignorance. But, given your decision to pretend you said something about net migration from other states, I see it was willful dishonesty. You can go on doubling down on your lie, but at this point, why bother? You've already identified yourself to the forum as shameless.
Of course I do. By definition, the entire population of California is within the US. And, as you now know, that population has been growing.
Of course. It entails a topic you tried to dodge to once your initial error was revealed. That's why we're all laughing at you.
cawacko
Well-known member
So you continue to lie and pretend you don’t understand the difference between migration between states and overall population of a state. You lie because you are so partisan you can’t even acknowledge California loses population among states.
I never talked about overall population. Our overall population grows because of births and immigrants. I specifically pointed out migration between the states. I posted articles backing what I said.
It’s ok though LV, I wouldn’t expect you to start being honest now.
No. As you well understand, I haven't lied even once. What happened is that you claimed the California population fell, I showed it rose, then you went into full Right-Wing Limp-Dicked Meltdown Mode, sobbing incoherently while you tried to refocus your argument on the idea that some people have moved away from California even as its population has been rising. That's why we laugh at you.
cawacko
Well-known member
When you lie and get called out you resort to making comments like this " Right-Wing Limp-Dicked Meltdown Mode". Well done LV.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
David Brooks, the New York Times columnist, has a new op-ed about the rise in teenage suicide rates. Being a reactionary, he naturally looks for something newfangled to blame, and decides it's attributable to technology -- online trolling, specifically. I'm not convinced.
For starters, take a look at suicide rates by age:
Rates are lowest among the young, and they've been rising for every age demographic, including the elderly block we'd expect to be least impacted by cyber-bullying. And while the rise of social media has been a global phenomenon, there hasn't been a rise in suicide in all of the tech-savvy nations, as we'd expect if cyber-bullying were a big driver:
Things have actually been getting better in Germany, Sweden, and France, for example.
Also, if you check rates by state, you'll see there are huge variations among the states, and those with the biggest problem are definitely not the ones with the highest Internet usage or Facebook penetration:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
https://www.internetworldstats.com/stats26.htm
The least suicidal states, for example, are NJ, NY, MA, MD, CT, CA, IL, RI, DE, and HI. In terms of Facebook penetration, they rank 7th, 19th, 6th, 25th, 32nd, 15th, 2nd, 3rd, 50th, and 13th. So, eight out of ten have unusually high Facebook engagement. If cyber-bullying were a major driver of rates, we'd expect most of those states to have unusually serious problems with suicide. But there just doesn't seem to be any meaningful positive correlation between social media/Internet usage and suicide, at the state level. If anything, the correlation seems to go the opposite way, with the less "online" states having more suicide problems.
So, I just don't see data to back Brooks's view. However, if you look at the data, something else does stick out. Of the ten least suicidal states, every single one voted for Hillary Clinton. At the other end of the spectrum, you have MT, AK, WY, NM, UT, NV, ID, OK, CO, SD, and WV -- seven out of ten of which went for Trump. I think that rather than looking to blame technology (or other pet arguments Brooks tends to reach for, like blaming a move away from traditional religion for society's ills), we'd do well to think about what it is about conservative societies that makes people suicidally depressed (or, if you prefer, what it is about liberal societies that makes them less so). Possibly it could have to do with economic opportunities, mental health support, or just the tone of the culture. Urbanization might also be a factor -- e.g., the boredom and inactivity of rural life contributing to substance abuse and obesity, which in turn contribute to depression and suicide.
Excellent post. Don’t forget that the answer could be “none of the above”.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That’s not true. The only time Wacko has gone into limp dick meltdown mode is when USC football received the NCAA Death Penalty.