Sue saudi Arabia-Obama oberrode

Bill

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Too bad it’s on a bill that will hurt U.S. interests.
Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, right, and Sen. Charles Schumer, talk with reporters in the Capitol after the Senate voted to override President Obama's veto of the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA) on Sept. 28. ENLARGE
Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, right, and Sen. Charles Schumer, talk with reporters in the Capitol after the Senate voted to override President Obama's veto of the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA) on Sept. 28. Photo: Congressional Quarterly/Newscom/Zuma Press
Sept. 28, 2016 7:28 p.m. ET
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Wouldn’t you know that Congress finally challenges President Obama on foreign policy, and it’s in a bad cause that will harm U.S. interests. Too bad the President did so little to stop it.

On Wednesday the Senate (97-1) and House (348-77) overrode Mr. Obama’s veto of the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (Jasta) that will let victims of terrorism sue foreign governments linked to such attacks. Mr. Obama’s veto message rightly noted that this break from the diplomatic principle of sovereign immunity will take “consequential decisions” about terrorism from Presidents and hand them to courts and private litigants.

The law is supposed to help the families of those killed on 9/11 to pursue Saudi Arabia, the ultimate deep-pocket target. Never mind that there is no hard proof the Saudi government was complicit in those attacks. Or that Americans can already sue nations that are officially designated as state sponsors of terror.

This bill has no such limit, so all it takes is a trial lawyer to persuade a judge that a foreign government is liable and we’re off to the races. Lawyers will have endless fun subpoenaing documents and testimony from the U.S. and foreign governments that will complicate American diplomacy and security.

Supporters of the bill rejected any compromise, including language that would limit lawsuits to 9/11 victims, which shows that the real game is to enrich the trial bar. The Saudis may now move to liquidate at least some of their U.S. holdings so they don’t become hostage to lawsuits, and some countries might retaliate against U.S. officials.

The blame is bipartisan. Democrats want another income stream for their trial-lawyer campaign funders, while Republicans stampeded because no one wants to be seen as defending Saudi Arabia in an election year. We hope Republicans appreciate their hapless cynicism. They get the votes to override Mr. Obama for the first time, and it’s on a bill that could help make New York Democrat Chuck Schumer Senate Majority Leader.

These are the same dime-store Metternichs who denounce Donald Trump for being reckless, though Mr. Trump also endorsed the veto override. So did Hillary Clinton, who as a former Secretary of State knows better.

The current Commander in Chief didn’t do much to help. While he vetoed the measure in the end, he did almost nothing along the way to rally opposition. Harry Reid was the only Senate Democrat to support the veto, and he’s not running for re-election. Mr. Obama expected the same Republicans he routinely portrays as evil to rescue him even as Mr. Schumer was waiting to ambush any Republicans who supported the Democratic President.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest called the Senate vote “the single most embarrassing thing” it has done in decades and said it was “an abdication of their basic responsibilities.” But not nearly as embarrassing as the junior-varsity effort by his boss, who made it easy for Congress to trample him.
 
This has got to be one of the most unanimous override Senate votes of all-time. The House was pretty overwhelming, as well.
 
Thanks for the topic Bill.

Having license to smack somebody upside the head might seem an advantage.

The problem is; THEY MIGHT SMACK YOU BACK.

Time will tell whether Obama was right in vetoing this legislation. But it is at least a bitter partisan irony that if as future administrations come & go President Obama looks more and more successful as president; his critics, his antagonists will be among those that proved him to be so.
 
Well, if it causes the US to quarrel with that heart-of-terrorism and male chauvinism, stupid as it is, it can't be all bad.
 
Wait

Legion Fag will be along any minute to berate your spelling errors. Oh wait. No he won't. He is such a "moderate" he only does that to right wingers
 
saudi Arabia's rulers are going to react negatively, as they have already said...

What next??
 
saudi Arabia's rulers are going to react negatively, as they have already said...

What next??
they are already diversifying away from US weapons supplies, as well as entering into new technological agreements and trade with Russia.
I doubt you'll see actual rupturing of the US/Saudi "special relationship" - more like a slow drift.

Which isn't horrible if it weren't for Iranian expansionism. which is becoming the real danger to the region.
 
Slow drift is prob what will happen as long as something doesn't go wrong, like an anti-Muslim president or something.......

So who will be the first to sue America, American service men/women etc??
 
Slow drift is prob what will happen as long as something doesn't go wrong, like an anti-Muslim president or something.......

So who will be the first to sue America, American service men/women etc??
apparently the bill was re-written to make it more difficult to sue..Who knows what happens with SA?

But we are also jeopardy our own sovereign immunity
 
Now that Hussein the Obama is a lame duck not even his own party will support him...

Harry Reid supports him...only because of his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Harry was the only one....

Poor Harry
 
Harry Reid supports him...only because of his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Harry was the only one....

Poor Harry

Looks like Dingy Harry is the only non racist in the Senate
 
You do not sue a country that promulgates a terrorist attack against you. You go to war, or you pursue diplomacy. It is impossible for a foreign government to receive a fair hearing in an American court with an American judge and an American jury. That is why nations have almost always respected the principle of sovereign immunity. By unilaterally applying our law towards another government, rather than treating them as equals and negotiating state to state, we're effectively saying that they are a subject entity. This is why states, for one thing, have sovereign immunity - if they did not, they would effectively be federal subjects. The law flies in the face of the norms of international law.
 
Thanks for the topic Bill.

Having license to smack somebody upside the head might seem an advantage.

The problem is; THEY MIGHT SMACK YOU BACK.

Time will tell whether Obama was right in vetoing this legislation.

Yeah....like....RIGHT NOW!!!!

October 21, 2016 - "Four former inmates of Iraq's notorious Abu Ghraib prison will now be able to sue over alleged torture by U.S. military contractors.

A US federal appeals court reinstated the lawsuit on Friday against CACI Premier Technology, which is accused of abusing the men during interrogations at the prison in the early 2000s. The ruling comes after eight years of appeals.

The case had been dismissed by a judge who ruled legal action would improperly require second-guessing of military leaders in a war zone, making it a "political question" that is off limits for the judiciary.

But the appeals court ruled unanimously that any unlawful acts committed by private contractors could be subject to judicial scrutiny, even if they were doing so under the direct control of the military.

The New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights, which is representing the four Iraqi inmates, praised the appellate court's decision."


 
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