Stupid Libertarians

[Sammy Jankis]

I only pointed out that AssHat's economic support for anti immigration policies are socialist. Nothing about an anti immigrant policy is necessarily socialist and it is often based on simple racism or xenophobia.

You';re doubly wrong.

It's not socialist to want to enforce borders. It's not socialist to want to stop the government from glutting the labor pool by shirking it's duty on behalf of corporations.

Most objections are based on this economic argument, not racism.

you're a walking propaganda dispenser, and a poor one at that.

 

[Timshel]

Also, the bs from freedumb, Brewer and the propaganda calling it illegal trespass clearly indicate a cdollectivist view of property rights.

Most Libertarians think that most of the immagration problems we have would go away if you did away with the welfare State.

Until then, every Libertarian I know says guard the border.

Nope. The LP platform calls for easing barriers to immigration.

The point on welfare is simply a response to the conservatards who claim immigrants come for that alone. It would not stop illegal immigration, since few come here for welfare services.

http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration
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You apparently don't know many libertarians. I have served in various roles within the party and have met many libertarians. Most support immigration and immigrants, just as Jefferson and Madison did.

 

[Timshel]

Also, the bs from freedumb, Brewer and the propaganda calling it illegal trespass clearly indicate a cdollectivist view of property rights.

Most Libertarians think that most of the immagration problems we have would go away if you did away with the welfare State.

Until then, every Libertarian I know says guard the border.

Nope. The LP platform calls for easing barriers to immigration.

The point on welfare is simply a response to the conservatards who claim immigrants come for that alone. It would not stop illegal immigration, since few come here for welfare services.

http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration
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You apparently don't know many libertarians. I have served in various roles within the party and have met many libertarians. Most support immigration and immigrants, just as Jefferson and Madison did.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

A fence will stop illegal immigration.

 

[Timshel]

A fence will stop illegal immigration.

It will not, since many illegal immigrants entered legally.

 

[Don Quixote]

You libertarians are so stupid. You act like business is always something that uplifts the society, but with globalization we see it can be used to destroy.

Additionally you look at the business world now and claim all those "left wing" worker protections aren't necessary, but you idioctically and conveniently forget that the business world provided for a middle class in america BECAUSE OF THE REFORMATIONS YOU WOULD CONSIDER LEFT WING.

How about child labor laws? Are they wrong? Minimum wage? laws against monopoly etc?

you people are fucked in the head stupid, and traitorous to boot.

Bring it on.

hey, you are talking to the something for nothing crowd or anything to save a penny - they are selling us out

 

[Minister of Truth]

I only pointed out that AssHat's economic support for anti immigration policies are socialist. Nothing about an anti immigrant policy is necessarily socialist and it is often based on simple racism or xenophobia.

Or, alternatively, its based on the desire to not kill ourselves with spending...

 

[Timshel]

Or, alternatively, its based on the desire to not kill ourselves with spending...

Spending on what? Immigrants pay in as much or more in taxes as they receive in government services. The reports pretending to show they cost us large amounts are invariably incomplete calculations and rely on sample groups specifically selected to support an anti immigration agenda.

If they are causing any spending then it is through propping up the ponzi scheme of ss that politicians love to "borrow" from.

 

[Liberty]

Spending on what? Immigrants pay in as much or more in taxes as they receive in government services. The reports pretending to show they cost us large amounts are invariably incomplete calculations and rely on sample groups specifically selected to support an anti immigration agenda.

If they are causing any spending then it is through propping up the ponzi scheme of ss that politicians love to "borrow" from.

You're a Democratic-Republican plant RStringfield.

You're no more Libertarian than I'm an Obama fan.

You're a John McCain.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Spending on what? Immigrants pay in as much or more in taxes as they receive in government services. The reports pretending to show they cost us large amounts are invariably incomplete calculations and rely on sample groups specifically selected to support an anti immigration agenda.

If they are causing any spending then it is through propping up the ponzi scheme of ss that politicians love to "borrow" from.

Illegals aren't causing SW infrastructure to fall appart (hospitals, etc.)?

 

[Liberty]

Then they want a massive increase in the immigration quota.

Libertarians are globalists, and as such believe in the free movement of people, goods, and services. The very ideology is antithetical to the notion of nation.

Opposite to the notion of nation? Bravo!

You're wrong!

Libertarians want the right to their property, and they expect the federal government to defend this right.

You've most likely been listening to RSpringfield to much. People like him, (or her) are plants to make Jeffersonians look like looneyssss.

Which makes me think the very same thing about you.

 

[Timshel]

Liberty, you are not a libertarian. You are a dumbass, who is trying to kiss the ass of a fucking Nazi. You are pissed at me because I told you that most immigrants don't come here for welfare (hell, I think nAHZi might disagree on that stupid point).

You don't even understand what nAHZi is saying. The Libertarian ideology IS more concerned with the right of the indivdiual then any jingoistic concern for the nation/state. That is true. He is attacking indivdiualism while supporting nationalism. And your response is, "oh libertarians are nationalists too." Fuck no! We are not nationalists, you fucking moron.

The liberatarian philosophy is most definitely the antithesis of asshat's nationalism.

 

[Timshel]

Liberty, you are not a libertarian. You are a retard, who is trying to kiss the ass of a fucking Nazi. You are pissed at me because I told you that most immigrants don't come here for welfare (hell, I think nAHZi might disagree with you on that ignorant point).

You don't even understand what nAHZi is saying. The Libertarian ideology IS more concerned with the right of the indivdiual then any jingoistic concern for the nation/state. That is true. He is attacking indivdiualism while supporting nationalism. And your response is, "oh libertarians are nationalists too." Fuck no! We are not nationalists, you fucking moron.

The liberatarian philosophy is most definitely the antithesis of asshat's nationalism.

 

[Liberty]

Liberty, you are not a libertarian. You are a retard, who is trying to kiss the ass of a fucking Nazi. You are pissed at me because I told you that most immigrants don't come here for welfare (hell, I think nAHZi might disagree with you on that ignorant point).

You don't even understand what nAHZi is saying. The Libertarian ideology IS more concerned with the right of the indivdiual then any jingoistic concern for the nation/state. That is true. He is attacking indivdiualism while supporting nationalism. And your response is, "oh libertarians are nationalists too." Fuck no! We are not nationalists, you fucking moron.

The liberatarian philosophy is most definitely the antithesis of asshat's nationalism.

Oh,,, Sorry.

I think this was my fault.

Really.

I was being sarcastic when I said "bravo".

My mistake.

You got me on that one.

And yes, you're right, I am at odds with you over the immigration welfare issue.

 

[Timshel]

You're a Democratic-Republican plant RStringfield.

You're no more Libertarian than I'm an Obama fan.

You're a John McCain.

Listen retard, I have been on the various generations/boards of this community as long as anyone. If I were a plant why would spend (it's had to have been about ten years now) so much time following one little community of posters around.

I am a Libertarian. I ran for office as a libertarian, I served on the state excomm, went to several national conventions and have contributed heavily to libertarian candidates and causes.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you are just some anonymous idiot. Actually, I think you have been around here before under a different name.

 

[Beefy]

Ron, Ron, you're arguing with a troll that posts with like 30 IPs.

We all know that you're a libertarian, probably the best one on this board. Don't bother with the trolls.

 

[Liberty]

Listen retard, I have been on the various generations/boards of this community as long as anyone. If I were a plant why would spend (it's had to have been about ten years now) so much time following one little community of posters around.

I am a Libertarian. I ran for office as a libertarian, I served on the state excomm, went to several national conventions and have contributed heavily to libertarian candidates and causes.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you are just some anonymous idiot. Actually, I think you have been around here before under a different name.

You're a plant alright.

And I'm new at the message board thing gig, so you must have had this kind conversation before. With real Libertarians who found you out quickly. That's got to be because you really stand out.

As a plant.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Liberty, who would waste time putting a plant on such a TINY messageboard? Think about it...

 

[Timshel]

Illegals aren't causing SW infrastructure to fall appart (hospitals, etc.)?

It sounds like you are saying they have some erosive affect on the actual structures.

The hospitals have been impacted because the government has forced them to treat anyone asking for emergency care. That's a cost of socialism, not immigration.

 

[Liberty]

Liberty, who would waste time putting a plant on such a TINY messageboard? Think about it...

I know you're right.

But, some of his statements misrepresent Libertarians.

Which leads to others believing Libertarians are something other than what they are.