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LOL

I have a knack for recognizing the important things.
 
Crutmauler said:
Have you ever noticed that most atheists are dejected Christians?
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Most atheists are dejected christians? Dejected? Do you know what dejected means? Atheists are in all walks of life, there are ex christians, ex muslims, ex everything but most, in my experienced, have not LEFT anything, they just have never been hoodwinked by any religious nonsense.
Most atheists dont even call themselves atheists, it is only in circumstances such as this where labels are a convenient short cut that the word is likely to be used.
There is no need for people who are just people without having been sold a pup to call themselves anything for they are the norm. That is what people are. Religions are imposed upon ordinary people and their lives. Imposed by those seeking power or imposed by ignorance and the need to have a 'god of the gaps' to give answers that unfortunates understand.
Yes of course there are those on the fringes of what, for convenience sake, we call atheism, who need to form clubs and societies to promote or enjoy their status. Frankly they might as well believe in some deity since they are clearly uncomfortable in their theoretical independence.
The reason I posted the first reference was that I found the idea of training little children to believe that they were responsible for killing someone and that there was a place they would go to called hell where they would burn forever, quite the most evil thing I had come across in a long time.
Since this was an american phenomenon and you are all americans I wanted to know if this movement was regarded, by most, as something bad, something good or something of little importance.
When I had received a few views, (and the number of posters who decided not to comment, who are usually quite vociferous in their views on religion, was just as significant), I posted the second site to see if minds were changed.
Of course they were not.
No matter how strong the debate is, no matter how expert the debaters are, entrenched beliefs seldom change and probably, once expressed in public, never change. That is not about religion but about pride or face and of nailing one's colours to the mast.
In many first world countries religion is becoming less significant - America being the most obvious exception - as education improves and mans knowledge of himself and his environment improves.
 
Lowaicue said:
Most atheists are dejected christians? Dejected? Do you know what dejected means? Atheists are in all walks of life, there are ex christians, ex muslims, ex everything but most, in my experienced, have not LEFT anything, they just have never been hoodwinked by any religious nonsense.
Most atheists dont even call themselves atheists, it is only in circumstances such as this where labels are a convenient short cut that the word is likely to be used.
There is no need for people who are just people without having been sold a pup to call themselves anything for they are the norm. That is what people are. Religions are imposed upon ordinary people and their lives. Imposed by those seeking power or imposed by ignorance and the need to have a 'god of the gaps' to give answers that unfortunates understand.
Yes of course there are those on the fringes of what, for convenience sake, we call atheism, who need to form clubs and societies to promote or enjoy their status. Frankly they might as well believe in some deity since they are clearly uncomfortable in their theoretical independence.
The reason I posted the first reference was that I found the idea of training little children to believe that they were responsible for killing someone and that there was a place they would go to called hell where they would burn forever, quite the most evil thing I had come across in a long time.
Since this was an american phenomenon and you are all americans I wanted to know if this movement was regarded, by most, as something bad, something good or something of little importance.
When I had received a few views, (and the number of posters who decided not to comment, who are usually quite vociferous in their views on religion, was just as significant), I posted the second site to see if minds were changed.
Of course they were not.
No matter how strong the debate is, no matter how expert the debaters are, entrenched beliefs seldom change and probably, once expressed in public, never change. That is not about religion but about pride or face and of nailing one's colours to the mast.
In many first world countries religion is becoming less significant - America being the most obvious exception - as education improves and mans knowledge of himself and his environment improves.
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And yet; the Christian Church and beliefs have been held longer in Europe, then America. :D
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And yet; the Christian Church and beliefs have been held longer in Europe, then America. :D
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A fact that might have escaped your notice is that Europe is a tad older than the US. (not geographically, of course). Time you stopped your childish stalking, idiot.
 
Lowaicue said:
A fact that might have escaped your notice is that Europe is a tad older than the US. (not geographically, of course). Time you stopped your childish stalking, idiot.
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Which doesn't change the fact that Europe has been promoting Christianity for eons and actually exported it to the Americas and elsewhere.
So your ancestors are the ones responsible.
 
Don't get to come visit this site nearly as often as I would like to but I have a day off tomorrow, am home from evening church services ad am just watching James Bond's Skyfall ... so I have a minute. While the doctrine espoused in the web sites posted differs from what I believe the Bible to teach, it is the same basic doctrine taught by many in the denominational world. I see no problem with either site.
 
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leaningright said:
Don't get to come visit this site nearly as often as I would like to but I have a day off tomorrow, am home from evening church services ad am just watching James Bond's Skyfall ... so I have a minute. While the doctrine espoused in the web sites posted differs from what I believe the Bible to teach, it is the same basic doctrine taught by many in the denominational world. I see no problem with either site.
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At what age, in your opinion, does a person have sufficient maturity to understand concepts of heaven and hell? Is it right that your children or my children should be subject to that sort of teaching?
If you have children would you ever tell them that they were born as sinners and that, unless they believed what you told them, they would suffer for eternity?
I hope you would not. I hope that you would have more responsibility as a parent, not to frighten your children and feed them with you personal truth before they are of an age to tell the difference.
Is there a difference between telling a child he will burn in hell and telling him that it is OK to take drugs or to carry a gun?
 
Lowaicue said:
Check out this site. Is this a good thing? or a bad thing? Post your reasons.
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Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

That's my reason why I think this is a good thing. Leaders of every stripe, since time immemorial, have sought out the youth to indoctrinate because of their eagerness to please, and despite evidence to the contrary, their desire for order in their lives. Think about the US elections, both in 2008 and 2012. Obama virtually cornered the market on the youth vote (although I happen to believe this was because of years of "progressive" indoctrination, mostly in our higher education system, but there you have it, any way you want to look at it, it was some form of indoctrination of youth).
 
Threedee said:
Those Deists appropriated government funds to distribute copies of the Bible. They also allocated public buildings for the use of Christian worship on Sundays.
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If you mean they did not impose their personal beliefs on the population, you're right.

But Jefferson wrote his own bible .. devoid of the superstition of Jesus. Jefferson wrote of the real one.
 
callinectes said:
Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

That's my reason why I think this is a good thing. Leaders of every stripe, since time immemorial, have sought out the youth to indoctrinate because of their eagerness to please, and despite evidence to the contrary, their desire for order in their lives. Think about the US elections, both in 2008 and 2012. Obama virtually cornered the market on the youth vote (although I happen to believe this was because of years of "progressive" indoctrination, mostly in our higher education system, but there you have it, any way you want to look at it, it was some form of indoctrination of youth).
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Indoctrination is the correct word. That and lack of choices.

Obama made a lot of campaign promises to youth that he's never kept and has no intention of keeping. None bigger then his betrayal on medical marijuana.

The other choice was Romney .. not much choice at all.

By the way, Obama is doing all he can to send babies and young children in Pakistan to meet Jesus.
 
blackascoal said:
If you mean they did not impose their personal beliefs on the population, you're right.

But Jefferson wrote his own bible .. devoid of the superstition of Jesus. Jefferson wrote of the real one.
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Well, it only took him 1,800 years. 1,100 if you go from when it was first compiled...
 
Threedee said:
Well, it only took him 1,800 years. 1,100 if you go from when it was first compiled...
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Didn't take Jefferson long at all to strip away the superstition to speak of the real man .. who never called himself the "Son of God."

They called it the Age of Reason, the Age of Enlightenment because it strips away superstitious religious nonsense.
 
Lowaicue said:
Most atheists are dejected christians? Dejected? Do you know what dejected means? Atheists are in all walks of life, there are ex christians, ex muslims, ex everything but most, in my experienced, have not LEFT anything, they just have never been hoodwinked by any religious nonsense.
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You have a point. I should have said that most atheists in the USA seem to be former Christians.

However, my experience is different than yours. The most outspoken atheists I know were all raised as Christians. Then when they realized how outlandish their previous superstitions were they got pissed off and developed an irrational deep-seated hatred for all religious people.
 
blackascoal said:
Didn't take Jefferson long at all to strip away the superstition to speak of the real man .. who never called himself the "Son of God."

They called it the Age of Reason, the Age of Enlightenment because it strips away superstitious religious nonsense.
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the age of modernism......now extinct.......
 
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