Stop SOPA!

Disillusioned said:
You're downloading a song, pretty much all of them are copyrighted, use your brain, downloading movies, all of which are copyrighted, even if you didn't upload it, is still a crime.
you're doing the "I didn't know" defense, it doesn't work for people who didn't know that smoking pot is illegal, it doesn't work for copyright violation.
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this is where you fail. using my brain? tell us genius, why are 'we the people' held to a higher standard than the government? they tell us 'we didn't know' all the fricking time.

Disillusioned said:
As well as being morally wrong. It's saying to the creators, "Fuck you guys, You created something worth having, and now, well thanks guys, I think I'll just take that."
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if you pick up $40 dollars I dropped on the street, did you steal it from me?
 
wow ignorance of a law is no defense

but then what do you expect from an internet constitutional expert with zero eduction.
fucking cable guy!!!
 
SmarterThanYou said:
irrelevant. answer the question.
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STY, I did. Finding something that has been lost is not stealing. If I know you lost it and I do not tell you I found it- that is stealing, though I am not sure there is a legal case to be made. The analogy that you attempt to make, to that of copyright licensing, is weak and not applicable- I would not marry that analogy if I were you.

Being against stealing does not mean I support SOPA- I do not. But to pretend copying someone's material without their permission is not stealing, is dumb. An article of interest IMO:

Check If You’re a Digital Pirate
Posted on January 19, 2012 by Marcin Kleczynski

With all of the SOPA talk this month, I figured an article on piracy was deserving. Being able to pinpoint users of pirated software is becoming easier and more accurate. For example, check out YouHaveDownloaded.com, a website that lists the torrents you may have downloaded in a certain time span. While the website is not perfect, for those who have static IP addresses, it can get pretty close and provide you a list.

In one article on CNET, it was mentioned that “someone in the home of French President Nicholas Sarkozy, a strong proponent of anti-piracy legislation, has been using BitTorrent to download pirated versions of music and movies.”

If the Stop Online Piracy Act passes in the United States, I’m sure technology to track torrents and other illegal downloads will improve. Consequently, imagine the privacy concerns I have for Internet users. This proof-of-concept website is scary enough!
 
here is the problem that nobody wants to see. the government (along with mpaa and riaa) have made it a crime to download something off the internet that doesn't belong to you. They've done this KNOWING that it's too difficult to track, catch, and prosecute those who actually do the illegal copying and posting. It's not any different than prohibition, placing the onus of breaking the law on the receiver instead of the deliverer. this makes inadvertant criminals out of all of us, simply for copying a picture to our hard drive that we may find funny. This is such a huge monstrously bad idea.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
you're interfering with my intentions to make topspin look really stupid.

and yes, screw the feds.
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I can look dumb all on my own, this is a person with an advanced degree!! your problem is you think your uneducated as is an expert on everything when it's actually nothing. CABLE GUY!
 
The Dude said:
I can look dumb all on my own, this is a person with an advanced degree!! your problem is you think your uneducated as is an expert on everything when it's actually nothing. CABLE GUY!
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that's MISTER cable guy to you, dumbass. and i've shown this entire board numerous times I know more about the law and the constitution that you could ever fucking learn.
 
cable guy people have gone to jail and paid big fines for stealing copywritted material.
Please use the I found it defense cable guy. that would show your constitutional expertise indeed!
 
[h=1]DOJ Gives Its Opinion On SOPA By Unilaterally Shutting Down 'Foreign Rogue Site' Megaupload... Without SOPA/PIPA[/h][h=3]from the screw-you-all----we're-the-doj dept[/h]If you've been paying attention to the MPAA/US Chamber of Commerce/RIAA claims about why they need PIPA/SOPA, a key argument is that they need it to go after these "foreign rogue sites" that cannot be reached under existing US law. Among the most prominent sites often talked about is Megaupload -- which accounts for a huge percentage of the "rogue site traffic" that the US Chamber of Commerce and other bill supporters love to cite. However, it certainly appears that the US Justice Department and ICE don't think they need any new law to go after people in foreign countries over claims of criminal copyright infringement. As lots of folks are currently digesting, the Justice Department, along with ICE, have shut down the site and arrested many of the principles (with the help of New Zealand law enforcement) and charged them with massive amounts of criminal copyright infringement.

Of course, just last week, we had noted that Megaupload was immune from SOPA/PIPA because it doesn't apply to dot coms -- but this is still interesting and crazy for a whole variety of reasons:

  • ICE and DOJ have a pretty freaking dreadful record so far in bringing these kinds of cases for online copyright infringement. It's kind of amazing that they did this so soon after they totally screwed up and had to give back Dajaz1 (without an apology, by the way). Megaupload may be a different type of site... but, still...
  • Similar cyberlockers, like RapidShare, have already been declared legal in both Europe and the US. I don't know the details of Megaupload's situation -- and certainly its founder has a... um... colorful history... but it seems pretty extreme to totally shut down the site prior to any adversarial hearing.
  • In the last few days and months, Megaupload had announced plans to help artists make more money... and had announced that very successful and famous music producer Swizz Beatz had become CEO of Megaupload. Beatz is also married to recording superstar Alicia Keys and was responsible for getting all those RIAA artists to endorse Megaupload. All indications were that the company was clearly building a legitimate system for artists to make money and fans to get content. And it seemed that many artists clearly supported the site.
  • So why do we need SOPA/PIPA again? It seems like the DOJ/ICE just undermined the key argument of the MPAA/RIAA/US CoC for why they need these laws. After all, Megaupload was one of the key examples used for why the law was needed.
  • At the same time there are huge questions about why the government is involved here. Megaupload is currently engaged in a lawsuit in the US -- and contrary to claims of SOPA/PIPA supporters, the company seemed more than willing to appear in court to deal with civil copyright claims. Why leap to criminal claims?
  • Is this really the message the US DOJ and White House want to be giving the day after mass, widespread protests happened concerning a fear that this new law would be used to take down websites? Honestly, this is a big "fuck you" to the protestors, showing that the government already has this power thanks to the last law they passed: ProIP (which they promised they'd never abuse).
  • The indictment itself -- embedded below -- is so full of hyperbole ("Mega Conspiracy") it sounds like it was written by the entertainment industry itself...
Anyway, I'm sure we'll have much more to say about all of this... but wow is the timing dumb on the government's part. Not only does it undermine the argument for PIPA/SOPA, but it raises significant questions about whether or not the feds already have too much censorship power.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...-rogue-site-megaupload-without-sopapipa.shtml
 
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http://theoatmeal.com/sopa
 
The Dude said:
cable guy people have gone to jail and paid big fines for stealing copywritted material.
Please use the I found it defense cable guy. that would show your constitutional expertise indeed!
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So Top, how much did you pay in licensing fees to use that copyrighted avatar you have? What about quoting the copyrighted dialogue from Platoon?
 
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