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yeah... TOTALLY different when the psycho is on the other foot (or humping your leg)
Still no significant warming....
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yeah... TOTALLY different when the psycho is on the other foot (or humping your leg)
Tinfoil has been humping your leg?!
TMI SF. Please. I'd steer clear of him. Two words; bunny boiler. Need I say more?
It's interesting to note that the insurance industry has been one of the few "corporate" entities to take a really active role in trying to reduce fossil fuels & emissions. As storms get bigger & coastline disappears, they're the ones who will take the big hits first (though, as always, they'll just pass it onto consumers).
But the really relevant point you made is that it's basically impossible to turn back now, no matter what the cause, because the gears for what will likely be some lifestyle-changing changes have been in motion for ages. Most of the measures that even hardcore greenies advocate, at least legislatively, are hardly anything, anyway - the effect would be so negligible that it would basically be offset by population increases.
An energy revolution is what is needed in general - for pollution, for national security, and for the planet in general. Not to get all hippy dippy on anyone, but right now, we simply don't live in harmony with nature; we view nature as a resource, and little more. The whole mindset has to change to one of sustainability and replenishing whatever we use.
Probably won't happen in our lifetime, but necessity will force our hand eventually....
I agree, and I don't think you're being hippy dippy at all.
1970 Earth Day Prediction.....
"The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age."
-- Kenneth Watt, Ecologist......................(Expert ????)
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LMAO... yes, I have seen the reports.. which all typically hype the same SUMMARIES. they give the same quotes.... they ignore any and all criticisms of their point of view.... etc...
Do you know how someone gets to join the NAS? Do you know how many members they have? Do you know how many of their members are in the field of environmental sciences/ecology? Out of those in that field throughout the world in the NAS... do you know how many are in the USA?
the answers....
they are elected by current members
about 2100
63
49
yeah... a certain other poster (well coward in hiding) likes to tout all the NAS by country for their support of the AGW theory. Obviously most countries don't have ANYONE in that field of study. Yet they parrot the same line that the US NAS does. Imagine that.
I know you don't buy into the fact they are maintaining the fear to protect their funding. Quite frankly, I don't care if you do or not. Until they show definitive evidence to support their claims... they are just fear mongers. REAL scientists do not hide their data. REAL scientists WANT people to examine and try to poke holes in their theories. REAL scientists will debate the issues and not rely on scare tactics.
Bottom line is this: the 'SCIENCE' has been corrupted by the political morons... (see AL GORE) You can believe the money is not a factor if you wish. You can believe the politicians are benevolent on this issue.
The arrogance of those who believe we can control nature or turn it back is truly astounding. Can we control our pollution... absolutely. Can we find cleaner ways to produce energy... absolutely. But I for one am not going to fall in line and buy their load of crap until they actually produce EVIDENCE that supports their views. There are FAR too many dissenting views/opinions/points that the so called experts on AGW haven't addressed. This issue is far from conclusive.
I swear - that is so boring. It's like watching "The Queen" a dozen times in a row...
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please show your evidence that storms are getting bigger.... thanks.
Actually I discovered the academies of sciences on another site many months ago. Of course being a man you would assume I was parroting some man. I have not been reading anyone's posts here for over a year, but Cypress also delusionally believed I was going through all of his posts, so...I guess I should laugh?
What's amazing SF is that you suspect that scientists have formed a global conspiracy to gain grant money, but it never occurs to you that some of the same people who are buying our entire political system, have also bought so-called "skeptics".
To me it's so obvious. I mean, give me a break. Gee, I wonder, could it be Exxon-Mobil who we know buy our politicians also buying the few "skeptics" or is there some massive global conspiracy among scientists to get grant dollars.
IT's actually funny, or would be if they hadn't been so successful in messing up the entire planet.
I really still believe the reasons I told you before for your obstinacy. I actually think you view scientists as unions. It's hysterical.
What's amazing SF is that you suspect that scientists have formed a global conspiracy to gain grant money, but it never occurs to you that some of the same people who are buying our entire political system, have also bought so-called "skeptics".
To me it's so obvious. I mean, give me a break. Gee, I wonder, could it be Exxon-Mobil who we know buy our politicians also buying the few "skeptics" or is there some massive global conspiracy among scientists to get grant dollars.
IT's actually funny, or would be if they hadn't been so successful in messing up the entire planet.
I really still believe the reasons I told you before for your obstinacy. I actually think you view scientists as unions. It's hysterical.
I'm sure this is not the first time Bravo has heard that.
I don't go to those sites, and I'm actually not searching at all.
We've already seen extremes in weather patterns over the past decade; as the planet warms up more, and the oceans warm up, the storms will continue to magnify - again, that's why the insurance industry is at the forefront.
This isn't even an AGW thing; it doesn't matter what is causing it. Personally, I think it's better to be prepared, but I know you enjoy the feeling of warm sand enveloping your head.....
Wasn't once enough ?
How's this ?
"Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support...the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution...by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half...."
-- Life Magazine, January 1970
Was this the "consensus".....
OMG some guy just peed in the ladies room with the door open.
He is visiting one of the salesmen here. WTF is wrong with men? Now i have to scream at the salesguy about directing some freak to the ladies room, but even if he had gone to the men's room, who pees with the damned door open? I mean, this is almost directly across from my office.
Then people say, oh Darla hates men.
No, darla is repulsed by gross men. It's not darla's fault if so many of them fit the bill.
Now I will have to go watch Bill Maher's friday night new rules again, where he quite properly informed white males (and yes he singled white males out!) that women don't want to see your damned penis out of nowhere!
He is visiting one of the salesmen here. WTF is wrong with men? Now i have to scream at the salesguy about directing some freak to the ladies room, but even if he had gone to the men's room, who pees with the damned door open? I mean, this is almost directly across from my office.
Then people say, oh Darla hates men.
No, darla is repulsed by gross men. It's not darla's fault if so many of them fit the bill.
Now I will have to go watch Bill Maher's friday night new rules again, where he quite properly informed white males (and yes he singled white males out!) that women don't want to see your damned penis out of nowhere!
Thats only because you haven't been around for much more than a decade.....things will look different when you mature.
It's interesting when you think about it. The guy who was IN CHARGE of Bush's environmental task force was an petroleum lobbyist. He got cold-busted actually redacting sections of admin reports that tied man to warming, and went to work for Exxon the next day.
That got about a day or 2 in the media, and was never a "big" story.
The whole AGW email "scandal", by comparison, is now the basis for discounting any story about warming - it's the first line of attack, and is incredibly flimsy by comparison.
Thats quite funny....
Maher is usually more exact than just white males....saying old, white, Catholic, Conservative, Republican, Tea Party males would be more like him.
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actually I have many REAL scientists as clients. Most of whom are in biotech and alt energy research.
As I pointed out... it is not like this would have to be some GIANT global conspiracy... 63 members of the NAS darla... 49 of whom are in the US. Most of the others in the world who study this, get data from one of three locations....
NASA... where one should be skeptical of Hansen
NOAA... another US government agency
East Anglia... where one also has to be skeptical of Jones and co.
TWO of the above refused to provide FOIA requests for data.
ONE has admitted that he destroyed raw data because it was too hard to store
Add to it the FACT that Jones himself stated that he doesn't think the debate is over and in his opinion he doesn't think most scientists would say it is over either.
again... when scientists refuse to show the data behind their equations... there is a problem.
REAL scientists abhor the whores.
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Also Darla... I understand the oil companies can and do buy influence on the issue as well. It is harped on and almost every skeptic is painted as a shill for big oil.
I won't say man isn't causing problems. There are many that I have highlighted that we can correct. But to proclaim this debate is over even though there is no data to support the theory that man is causing the earth to warm at a substantial pace... that is absurd at best. Shoddy science for certain.
I won't say man isn't causing problems. There are many that I have highlighted that we can correct. But to proclaim this debate is over even though there is no data to support the theory that man is causing the earth to warm at a substantial pace... that is absurd at best. Shoddy science for certain.
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Nobody has suggested, up to now anyway, that CERN is in the pockets of Big Oil. Jasper Kirkby has just been quietly getting on with the CLOUD experiment. I, for one, am eagerly awaiting the results.
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2009/47/News%20Articles/1221077?ln=en
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=975f250d-ca5d-4f40-b687-a1672ed1f684
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