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court rules that NSA spying violated the 4th Amendment

But the opinion is secret, therefore you can't see it.

Last month, a letter to Congress noted that “on at least one occasion” a secretive US court ruled that National Security Agency surveillance carried out under a 2008 act of Congress violated the Fourth Amendment’s restriction against unreasonable searches and seizures. But the actual ruling remains secret. Decisions handed down by the US’s Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) are classified “because of the sensitive intelligence matters they concern,” the letter from the Office of the National Intelligence Director to Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) states.
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go ahead, morons. defend this shit.
 
Rune said:
Who is defending the police state, moron?
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mainly it's been people like dixie, usf, and damn yankee when he was here, but lately i've seen christie or apple start defending issues like this when it comes directly to an Obama attorney making the argument.
 
just to add, almost everyone here defends the police state in some form or another. Darla, howey, bijou on guns. you and mott and yurt the rights are not absolute track.
 
STY...even if this was in a non secret tribunal, the case would be blacked out. do you think everyone should have access to all information that concerns national security?
 
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STY...even if this was in a non secret tribunal, the case would be blacked out. do you think everyone should have access to all information that concerns national security?
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if there were security sensitive info in the opinion, I might accept SOME blackout, but ANY case that concerns a constitutional rights violation should absolutely NEVER be 'secret'. Allowing such without some sort major public outrage is nothing but collaboration.
 
Rune said:
Show where I have ever defended the police state.
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feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't you part of a thread where you were in support of the governments ability to retry a defendant in another court if the first court trial didn't work out? one of the double jeopardy threads? unless that was just mott, and if it was, then my apologies.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
if there were security sensitive info in the opinion, I might accept SOME blackout, but ANY case that concerns a constitutional rights violation should absolutely NEVER be 'secret'. Allowing such without some sort major public outrage is nothing but collaboration.
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i understand where you are coming from and have struggled with this myself. what if the entire case hinges on security sensitive information. in that, you can't defend against a constitutional violation without revealing security sensitive information? i'm truly torn on these secret tribunals, as that is one of the huge leaps to a complete totalitarian state. you don't even need a history degree or minor to understand that.
 
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i understand where you are coming from and have struggled with this myself. what if the entire case hinges on security sensitive information. in that, you can't defend against a constitutional violation without revealing security sensitive information? i'm truly torn on these secret tribunals, as that is one of the huge leaps to a complete totalitarian state. you don't even need a history degree or minor to understand that.
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in that case, I have to side with the framers and hold constitutional rights of individuals in higher status and priority than state security info.
 
Rune said:
Who is defending the police state, moron?
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Why is he a moron? I don't care much for his views about guns but since I been on this site he has been vehement and relentless in highlighting police brutality and government agencies abusing their powers. STY is definitely somebody you would rather have pissing out of your tent rather than pissing in.
 
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i have called for the repeal of the usa patriot act on several occasions, including to my congress critters

to no effect

oh well
 
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