Statues and what to do with them.

Penderyn said:
I know that the subject of racist statues has been quite big in the South of the USA, and thought you would like to know that one of the first good effects of the Black Lives Matter uprising has been to get rid of a really nasty one over here, in what has been, in my experience, the most racist place in the UK, Bristol. For years, ever since I lived in the place, people have been discussing getting rid of the statue of that disgusting pioneering slave-trader and one-time tory mayor of the city, Colson. At last, yesterday, the people took the nasty old bugger and chucked him into the docks (near, I was pleased to see, a pub where I once sank too much scrumpy cider for the first and last time). Bristol is a beautiful city inhabited, alas, by Bristolians, who used, when they had no 'black' people to bully, to pick on us 'Welsh', so I was delighted to see that amongst those slinging him into the healing waters were lots of pink skinned as well as brown-skinned people. The resistance to your incurable police has spread good ideas everywhere! Congratulations to the BLM movement - and also to the authority in Milwaukie who are planning to clean the racist bullyboys away!
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Statues in public parks are a statement about what the community venerates.

I really don't think most communities need statues of notorious British slave traitors, Confederate generals, or Soviet communist leaders.
 
Penderyn said:
He was getting the troops ready to shoot our miners down here in 1910, so as far as I'm concerned, statues of Churchill are something I can do without, particularly as he sent my uncle and a lot more people to an unnecessary death in Norway as the War ended. I got used to seeing him in another light (though my own family infinitely preferred the Mahatma) as a result of the War. I think the great thing about statues is how strongly does any minority feel about a statue, and does real history bear them out. Anyone who sold other human beings into slavery, or profited from their labour, for instance, belongs in the deepest parts of the sea, however charitable he may have been with the profits.
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Ignorant Welsh wanker, do you think the Welsh, or the Irish and Scottish come to that, would have lasted long if the Nazis had invaded England? Hitler would have loved to have the Welsh, Irish and Scottish harbours for his ships.
 
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jimmymccready said:
Take offending statuary and art, given to private organizations, and curate them in private space
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Take them all to Bethlehem and re-erect them facing the Izraeli racists. Good shield from fascist snipers- as well as making a moral and political statement.

Izraeli racism is real and happening NOW. Never mind the poor old historic general.
 
moon said:
Take them all to Bethlehem and re-erect them facing the Izraeli racists. Good shield from fascist snipers- as well as making a moral and political statement.

Izraeli racism is real and happening NOW. Never mind the poor old historic general.
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You're wat too stupid to realise that nobody gives a fuck about the Palestinians anymore. The Overton Window is firmly closed.
 
Remove them and place them in a civil rights museum next to a diorama of Grajonca in a white seersucker suit and hat, whipping a slave.
 
Penderyn said:
I know that the subject of racist statues has been quite big in the South of the USA, and thought you would like to know that one of the first good effects of the Black Lives Matter uprising has been to get rid of a really nasty one over here.
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Latest on the hit-list is a statue of Robert Baden-Powell, founder of the Scout Movement, in Poole, Dorset, on the grounds that he was homophobic and racist c. 1900. On the plus side, they don’t say he was transphobic (transphobia hadn’t been invented) and he didn’t own slaves.

The local council is planning to move the statue for fear of public disorder.
 
moon said:
Take them all to Bethlehem and re-erect them facing the Izraeli racists. Good shield from fascist snipers- as well as making a moral and political statement. Izraeli racism is real and happening NOW. Never mind the poor old historic general.
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Make sure you include Arafat.
 
Churchill is a great example of the divided nature of human personality for good and bad.

He will be remembered first among leaders of the West from the 20th century 500 years from now.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Latest on the hit-list is a statue of Robert Baden-Powell, founder of the Scout Movement, in Poole, Dorset, on the grounds that he was homophobic and racist c. 1900. On the plus side, they don’t say he was transphobic (transphobia hadn’t been invented) and he didn’t own slaves.

The local council is planning to move the statue for fear of public disorder.
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No they are not, a group of 'far right' scouts are there to defend him. I lived in Poole for 10 years my oldest son was born in Poole General hospital! The statue is facing Brownsea Island in Poole Harbour where the scouting movement was born.

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https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-11...aden-powell-statue-on-protesters-target-list/
 
Eagle_Eye said:
And what does that accomplish? Oh wait out of sight out of mind. What do you do when the offending statue is on private property for all to see?
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It saves the statuary and its curation: that is an accomplishment.

I don't think what can bee seen from private property, if it is not intrinsically offensive or obscene, can be ruled against.
 
The responsible people could put the statuary in a private farm yard facing on to the Interestate.

Why should I care if public monies are not being used.
 
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