Speaking of the "Twilight Zone"

christiefan915 said:
Oh, I understand the difference perfectly.

You claim you're not a birther, but you're making fun of the View women because they showed Trump the legal evidence of Obama's birth.

So nobody's being fooled except people like you, with your conspiracy theories that there's something devastating to Obama on the other piece of paper.
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If it didn't piss you off so much, it wouldn't nearly be half as fun though! :loveu:
 
Dixie said:
Well, you can call me a "birther" or whatever, I've been called names before, it doesn't bother me. What concerns me is, we have a man in the White House, who refuses to show his actual Birth Certificate, and confirm that he was born in the United States. The proverbial "Certificate of Live Birth" is not his actual Birth Certificate... It's like comparing a ticket stub to Woodstock, with a Woodstock T-Shirt... one proves you were there, the other doesn't. Anyone could apply for a Certificate of Live Birth, the details of the birth do not have to be accurate, or even disclosed. It is merely a document showing you were born. Period. His actual long form Birth Certificate will have the place, time, date, and signature of the attending physician who delivered him. This PROVES he was born where he says, and provides the name of someone who can confirm it, the attending physician.

Now the Left seems to want to run around waving the Certificate of Live Birth, claiming this is PROOF... but it's not. Then they want to parade around with some newspaper article... that isn't PROOF either. It certainly looks like evidence that someone wants people to believe Obama was born in Hawaii, I'll give you that, but it's just not PROOF! The only thing that PROVES he was born in Hawaii, is the one document which has yet to be revealed.

From here, the Left begins to scream... Why should he have to show this? Well, because, we ALL have had to show our Birth Certificate at one time or another in our lives, it's common practice throughout our society. Do the rules of our society not apply to The Obama? There have been other elected officials who have come under the exact same scrutiny, and they simply showed their birth certificates, and it was resolved. Why does Obama and the Left insist on being defiant and causing this to be such a big deal? If you listen to their answer to that, it's obvious they want to use this to insult and smear segments of the right by calling them names, and hopefully shame others into questioning this further.

At first, I really honestly thought there was nothing to all this... but I kept hearing about it... and those who were making the case, raised my eyebrows a little... but still, I figured... conspiracy theorists... and it has just kept going, and still no actual birth certificate... so now I begin to wonder, could the conspiracy theorists be right? But the thing that kind of starts to ice the cake for me, is the Left's parading around with the fake BC and asking why anyone would need more proof than that? And I think.... Indeed, why would they? It's obvious the Left and Obama are hiding something. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....... wonder what that could possibly be????
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Yeah! Wassup widdat? :confused:
 
Ice Dancer said:
Just for clairty on Fukino's statement(s)

http://michaelpatrickleahy.blogspot.com/2009/07/dr-chiyome-fukino-issues-another.html
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An opinion piece...nothing more.

It offers NO CLARITY whatsoever. It's just another Tightie Rightie blogger splitting hairs even finer so he can continue to make baseless allegations that have already been disproven.

And why oh why doesn't Captain Clarity respond to this SECOND quote that is much more clear:

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
 
Fukino later reported that birth records are on electronic files-so the question being begged and not answered is what she viewed- a hard copy of his actual Birth Certificate or a live certificate of birth that is now on an electronic file~
 
Ice Dancer said:
Fukino later reported that birth records are on electronic files-so the question being begged and not answered is what she viewed- a hard copy of his actual Birth Certificate or a live certificate of birth that is now on an electronic file~
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Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

"personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Senator Obama's original birth certificate on record"

Sounds pretty clear to me.
 
What she actually said :

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Is this the copy kept on electronic file that has been floating around the interwebs...or the actual "hard copy" of his Birth Certificate? She refuses to answer~
 
Ice Dancer said:
What she actually said :

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Is this the copy kept on electronic file that has been floating around the interwebs...or the actual "hard copy" of his Birth Certificate? She refuses to answer~
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Sounds like she's still saying the same thing.

She's seen the original...not an electronic copy...the original.
 
Ice Dancer said:
What she actually said :

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Is this the copy kept on electronic file that has been floating around the interwebs...or the actual "hard copy" of his Birth Certificate? She refuses to answer~
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I seriously don't get this. If she, and others, HAVE seen "the original" then what in the freepin' hell is causing them not to produce IT for EVERYONE to see so we can FINALLY STFU AND STFD over this tired, worn out, and discussed to death topic?

PRODUCE THE EFFIN' ORIGINAL AND LET EVERYONE IN THE DAMN WORLD SEE IT SO WE CAN PUT IT TO REST!!!!!
 
usaloyal2theend said:
I seriously don't get this. If she, and others, HAVE seen "the original" then what in the freepin' hell is causing them not to produce IT for EVERYONE to see so we can FINALLY STFU AND STFD over this tired, worn out, and discussed to death topic?

PRODUCE THE EFFIN' ORIGINAL AND LET EVERYONE IN THE DAMN WORLD SEE IT SO WE CAN PUT IT TO REST!!!!!
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by law, she cannot produce it.

i agree with the law. it protects your privacy and mine.

why obama won't produce it....well....that makes no sense, but his worshippers believe he won't so he can simply piss people off. isn't that great for our president to not produce something just to piss off the very people he works for!!!!

thank you nannyzappa for showing me the light!!!!
 
Yurt said:
btw....what is being debated here? that fukino did not see the original and orally verify its existence?
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That is what is being suggetsed, yes. In 2008 she claimed to have "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health". Later when it was learned that all of those records are electronic files, where it is supposed that his copy of live birth, which has already been produced is kept-she was asked if this is what she has seen and her comment was to repeat what she had said and to stand on that statement... Thus making her statemnet a bit dubious.
 
It's funny that a thread that starts out as kind of making fun of calling people birthers turns into birthers talking about all of the finer points & nuances of birther-ness...
 
Onceler said:
It's funny that a thread that starts out as kind of making fun of calling people birthers turns into birthers talking about all of the finer points & nuances of birther-ness...
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No, what's funny is that you think you understand nuances, but clearly you are just a nuisance. You never make a good argument on any subject which is why you can never defend one with facts... Birther's, or not, at least the people asking the questions understand nuances and why they are important to any given issue-especially where speculation has been allowed to rule the day.
 
Ice Dancer said:
That is what is being suggetsed, yes. In 2008 she claimed to have "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health". Later when it was learned that all of those records are electronic files, where it is supposed that his copy of live birth, which has already been produced is kept-she was asked if this is what she has seen and her comment was to repeat what she had said and to stand on that statement... Thus making her statemnet a bit dubious.
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what? she made two statements, the first was arguably bland, but the second was absolutely clear, obama was born in hawaii.....

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
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"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
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Ice Dancer said:
No, what's funny is that you think you understand nuances, but clearly you are just a nuisance. You never make a good argument on any subject which is why you can never defend one with facts... Birther's, or not, at least the people asking the questions understand nuances and why they are important to any given issue-especially where speculation has been allowed to rule the day.
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Onesie wouldn't understand a nuance if it came in the form of a wedgie and made him wriggle all day long!
 
Yurt said:
what? she made two statements, the first was arguably bland, but the second was absolutely clear, obama was born in hawaii.....
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"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
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"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of [/B]Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
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Neither of these answers the question if what she saw was the same as what has been already published . The fact is all vital statistics records have been transfered to electronic files...so what was transfered? The certificate of live birth which has been published or an actual birth certificate? It's a pretty simple thing to answer and she has not been willing to commit to a staright answer-why?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
On the other hand, the proof could already be out there, and in typical Dixie fashion, since it corroborates news you'd rather not know, you simply refuse to acknowledge it exists...

The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

The truth is no amount of proof will ever be enough for some of you hate filled morons, and frankly, watching you all wriggle and spin to come up with some reason other than admitting you hate the man in order to continue playing this ridiculous little game of yours is highly enjoyable and always good for a hearty laugh.


http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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If the document exists, why can't we see it? That's all I am asking, and you just confirmed, the document exists.
Put it out there, silence the doubters forever. Put an end to this thing. Why wouldn't he do that?

I'm with Trump, there is something he doesn't want us to see on his birth certificate. I think we deserve to know what it is.
And here's the thing, this isn't going away, it won't ever go away, unless the birth certificate is produced. The longer we go down this road, the more reasonable and moderate people start thinking about it, and pretty soon, they are like... ok, I'm a birther, I want to see the birth certificate! And pretty soon after that, people are starting to dance down the streets, singing... I'm a Birther, He's a Birther, She's a Birther, Wouldn't ya like to be a Birther too?
 
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