SpaceX Starship falls apart during test flight over the Bahamas
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The post I was responding to was, "we pay for these test flights", we do not. If they are never successful we will not pay for them to send our satellites into space or to retrieve our astronauts, or any number of things we pay for...
Just like if the car is never developed you never pay Ford for their development of the vehicle. Let's get real.
We pay, like I said, once they have the result. Just like we did with Martin Marietta and the Shuttles. Slower development with a fear of testing didn't make it cheaper, it made it far more expensive. I get where it came from though, after a crew burned up during a test the entire culture at NASA changed. We want the failures to happen during unmanned tests like the one that just happened, because testing with humans involved changes the way everyone will view these tests.
I'm enjoying watching them develop the rockets that will eventually take humans to Mars. And test failures like this one are part of that... Before the crew burned up in Apollo I folks forget about all the test rockets that literally failed on the launch pad. Let's get the failures before we add the people...
IBDaMann
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No, your capacity for logic is as nonexistent as the Tooth Fairy. Try reading again.
IBDaMann
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It depends on the type of contract. Most service or low-risk product contracts are FFP (Firm Fixed Price) and the contractor bears the risk of keeping costs under control, and for performing proper risk management, to be profitable.
High-risk products (e.g. new technology) are usually CPFF (Cost Plus Fixed Fee). On these, the government is assuming the risks inherent in the project/program.
TOP
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Indeed...Too funny! Your autocorrect converted celebrating to crashing.
serendipity
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Legion is right you are an imbecile.
Althea
Althea told me...
Which is why FAA was investigating SpaceX for safety issues.
Which is why Musk is doing away with FAA.
Althea
Althea told me...
This is why he is doing away with FAA. The agency that doesn't believe his ships are safe.
Sammy Jankis
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Another unplanned disassembly.
ziggy
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Starship’s eighth flight test lifted off from Starbase in Texas at 5:30 p.m. CT on Thursday, March 6. The Super Heavy booster successfully lit its 33 Raptor engines and propelled Starship through a nominal first-stage ascent.
Approximately two and a half minutes into flight, the Super Heavy booster shutdown all but three of its Raptor engines as planned for hot-staging separation. Starship then successfully lit its six Raptor engines and separated from the Super Heavy booster to continue its ascent to space.
The Super Heavy booster then relit 11 of 13 planned Raptor engines and performed a boostback burn to return itself to the launch site. As Super Heavy approached the launch site, it relit 12 of the planned 13 engines at the start of its landing burn to successfully slow the booster down. The three center engines continued running to maneuver the booster to the launch and catch tower arms, resulting in the third successful catch of a Super Heavy booster.
Starship continued its ascent to its planned trajectory. Prior to the end of the ascent burn, an energetic event in the aft portion of Starship resulted in the loss of several Raptor engines. This in turn led to a loss of attitude control and ultimately a loss of communications with Starship. Final contact with Starship came approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds after liftoff.
Starship flew within a designated launch corridor to safeguard the public both on the ground, on water, and in the air. Following the anomaly, SpaceX teams immediately began coordination with the FAA, ATO (air traffic control) and other safety officials to implement pre-planned contingency responses.
Any surviving debris would have fallen within the pre-planned Debris Response Area. There are no toxic materials present in the debris and no significant impacts expected to occur to marine species or water quality. If you believe you have identified a piece of debris, please contact your local authorities or the SpaceX Debris Hotline at 1-866-623-0234 or at recovery@spacex.com.
With a test like this, success comes from what we learn, and today’s flight will help us improve Starship’s reliability. We will conduct a thorough investigation, in coordination with the FAA, and implement corrective actions to make improvements on future Starship flight tests.
Approximately two and a half minutes into flight, the Super Heavy booster shutdown all but three of its Raptor engines as planned for hot-staging separation. Starship then successfully lit its six Raptor engines and separated from the Super Heavy booster to continue its ascent to space.
The Super Heavy booster then relit 11 of 13 planned Raptor engines and performed a boostback burn to return itself to the launch site. As Super Heavy approached the launch site, it relit 12 of the planned 13 engines at the start of its landing burn to successfully slow the booster down. The three center engines continued running to maneuver the booster to the launch and catch tower arms, resulting in the third successful catch of a Super Heavy booster.
Starship continued its ascent to its planned trajectory. Prior to the end of the ascent burn, an energetic event in the aft portion of Starship resulted in the loss of several Raptor engines. This in turn led to a loss of attitude control and ultimately a loss of communications with Starship. Final contact with Starship came approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds after liftoff.
Starship flew within a designated launch corridor to safeguard the public both on the ground, on water, and in the air. Following the anomaly, SpaceX teams immediately began coordination with the FAA, ATO (air traffic control) and other safety officials to implement pre-planned contingency responses.
Any surviving debris would have fallen within the pre-planned Debris Response Area. There are no toxic materials present in the debris and no significant impacts expected to occur to marine species or water quality. If you believe you have identified a piece of debris, please contact your local authorities or the SpaceX Debris Hotline at 1-866-623-0234 or at recovery@spacex.com.
With a test like this, success comes from what we learn, and today’s flight will help us improve Starship’s reliability. We will conduct a thorough investigation, in coordination with the FAA, and implement corrective actions to make improvements on future Starship flight tests.
serendipity
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Wow.
The level of ass kissing and cheerleading is off the charts with you people!!!
NASA is not a failure.
They're still around today and will likely still be around after SpaceX is gone.
So does NASA
What are you talking about?
You're talking about sending human lives into space.
Any sane human would tread carefully along such a road.
Are you suggesting that SpaceX should or will just rush headlong into manned space missions without using the same level of caution that NASA has for most of its history?
BTW, how many astronauts has SpaceX sent up?
Has SpaceX landed people on the moon?
Sumita Williams is 59n
Explain why NASA astronauts are coming back to Earth after nine months in a SpaceX Crew Dragon capsule. Btw
Is 59 which is astonishing to my mind at least.
Sammy Jankis
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space is gay.
Sammy Jankis
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Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Ask Boeing, the company which produced the Starliner capsule the astronauts first traveled to the space station on in the first place.
The same capsule which DID make it back to Earth intact and WOULD HAVE returned them safely had NASA not acted out of an abundance of caution.
But NASA put their lives and safety ahead of expedience or money.
I have to wonder if a greedy, gung ho, self absorbed, half cocked, shoot first and ask questions later wannabe cowboy like Musk would exercise the same level of caution that NASA did.
Sammy Jankis
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earth is their home planet.
Sammy Jankis
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I love this story of the billionaire who crushed himself in a retarded homemade submarine....
sorry but I do.
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Sammy Jankis
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nasa is a bunch of Satan worshippers.
jack Parsons NASA and the occult.
The Sex-Cult 'Antichrist' Who Rocketed Us to Space: Part 1
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Mar 12, 2024Jack Parsons practiced the occult and led a sex cult. He was also one of history's most important rocket scientists. (Episode 1 of 2) ... During the move, the trio decided to call their new outfit the Jet Propulsion Laboratory—the famous JPL of NASA fame today. By all rights, it should have been called the RPL, for Rocket Propulsion ...- wired.com
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Occultist father of rocketry 'written out' of Nasa's history
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As Parsons' interest in the occult developed, his colleague Malina approached the National Academy of Sciences for funding into "jet propulsion" as a means for developing more nimble aircraft ... - en.wikipedia.org
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Jack Parsons - Wikipedia
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John Whiteside Parsons (born Marvel Whiteside Parsons; [nb 1] October 2, 1914 - June 17, 1952) was an American rocket engineer, chemist, and Thelemite occultist.Parsons was one of the principal founders of both the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and Aerojet.He invented the first rocket engine to use a castable, composite rocket propellant, [1] and pioneered the advancement of both liquid ... - supercluster.com
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The Occult History Behind NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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Jack Parsons was one of the most influential figures in the history of the American space program. He was also a Marxist, stood accused of espionage, and held a deep fascination with the occult. His interest in the supernatural went far beyond vaudeville magicians and astrology. - spacesafetymagazine.com
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Jack Parsons and the Occult Roots of JPL
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JPL 101 from NASA. Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons by John Carter. Strange Angel: The Otherworldly Life of Rocket Scientist John Whiteside Parsons by George Pendel. Opinions expressed are those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views of Space Safety Magazine or its sponsors. Tags Crowley Jack Parsons JATO JPL ... - vice.com
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Crawling Back to the Alleged Hell Portal of NASA's Occult Origins - VICE
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Or maybe it was the occult's general grasp over southern California that pulled Parsons to the dark arts. The rocket boys, 1936. That's Parsons foregrounded on the right ( via JPL / NASA) - allthatsinteresting.com
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Jack Parsons, The Occultist Who Helped Send America To Space
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May 11, 2024When he wasn't testing rocket engines