South Korea Proposes Peace Talks with North Korea

blackascoal said:
Fairness is my point. You don't get to dictate shares unless what you bring to the table gives you that leverage .. not because you're some supposed lion. Are we the lion in energy agreements? Nope
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I must disagree. We are the lion in energy. Why do you think we aren't?
 
LuvTrump said:
Can't say I blame them. I wouldn't want to be in Korea with Kim Jong Un and the Chinese aiming missiles at me. If the balloon goes up, those poor people are toast.
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They know that .. and they don't want to be experimental guinea pigs like the Japanese people that we used.
 
blackascoal said:
The Russians aren't very good at agreements and partnerships. I have no faith that any will last unless Putin is getting the lion's share.
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does he always get the lions share in LNGas deals? He let Ukraine run up a debt,and then offered to pay it off
before we threw a monkey wrench into their Euromaiden
 
blackascoal said:
They know that .. and they don't want to be experimental guinea pigs like the Japanese people that we used.
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I don't think there's any doubt that'd be incinerated in a nuclear exchange, along with most of the world, so we're way beyond 'experimenting on guinea pigs'. We know what nuclear weapons do.

How do we honor our treaty obligations to South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan if North Korea's brinkmanship violates their sovereignty?

Declaring a "red line" is unlikely to suffice.
 
why are we shoving unwanted sanctions ( Senate) onto unwilling European states in our blind Russiaphobic rage?
NordSteam2 was all worked out, and here we go AGAIN intruding into other countries business/deals

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/06/15/the-us-is-exposing-europes-divide-on-nord-stream-2/
The most prominent target is the contentious Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which is set to start pumping gas from Russia to Europe in 2019, and is a flagship project for Kremlin-controlled gas monopoly Gazprom. “It sanctions those who . . . invest or support the construction of Russian energy export pipelines,” Mike Crapo, a Republican senator from Idaho who co-authored the amendment, said of the new proposal.

That’s a big deal, because Nord Stream 2 is being financed by a consortium of five European energy majors
Germany and Austria on Thursday sharply criticized the U.S. Senate’s plan to add sanctions on Russia, describing it as an illegal attempt to boost U.S. gas exports and interfere in Europe’s energy market. […]

“We cannot accept a threat of extraterritorial sanctions, illegal under international law, against European companies that participate in developing European energy supplies,” [German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern said in a joint statement]. “Europe’s energy supply is Europe’s business, not that of the United States of America.”
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Nord Stream 2 would double the capacity of a pipeline link between Russia and Germany (that transits the floor of the Baltic Sea). Critics say it will increase Europe’s dependence on Gazprom supplies of natural gas and leave the region more vulnerable to Moscow’s bullying. Proponents—led by Germany, which stands to gain the most from the construction of this project—see a chance to beef up their energy security by accessing more supply volumes.

On the sidelines of this debate sits Ukraine, which stands to lose the most if Nord Stream 2 goes forward. Much of Russia’s access to the European market has historically depended on pipelines that transit Ukraine, but after Moscow’s annexation of Crimea, Gazprom has actively sought alternative routes for getting its wares to its European customers, thereby depriving Kyiv of lucrative transit fees.

While many capitals in Europe are protesting the pipeline through the lens of checking Russian aggression and as a means of showing solidarity with Ukraine, the arguments ginned up by the pipeline’s supporters—Germany and Austria, for example, are accusing the U.S. of using these sanctions to aid its own LNG sales in the European market
 
LuvTrump said:
I don't think there's any doubt that'd be incinerated in a nuclear exchange, along with most of the world, so we're way beyond 'experimenting on guinea pigs'. We know what nuclear weapons do.

How do we honor our treaty obligations to South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan if North Korea's brinkmanship violates their sovereignty?

Declaring a "red line" is unlikely to suffice.
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We might want a live fire test on whether THAAD works in a real situation .. I agree with the rest of your comment.
 
"Putin the imperialist" ,,yet it's the USA constantly meddling around in Europe,
or screwing around with unwanted sanctions because we are butt hurt about the election-Crimea
 
LuvTrump said:
blackascoal said:
We might want a live fire test on whether THAAD works in a real situation

Wow, I seriously doubt that. Remember, we aren't the aggressors here.
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Agreed .. but we'd still like to have that test.

If NK fires, not our fault .. let's test.

The SK people want no part of that. Best to try to make a deal with NK to avoid that.

Of course, that still leaves NK with nuclear weapons .. which may set the stage for the greater discussions of getting rid of all nukes. Nobody wins with them.
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anatta said:
why are we shoving unwanted sanctions ( Senate) onto unwilling European states in our blind Russiaphobic rage?
NordSteam2 was all worked out, and here we go AGAIN intruding into other countries business/deals

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/06/15/the-us-is-exposing-europes-divide-on-nord-stream-2/
The most prominent target is the contentious Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which is set to start pumping gas from Russia to Europe in 2019, and is a flagship project for Kremlin-controlled gas monopoly Gazprom. “It sanctions those who . . . invest or support the construction of Russian energy export pipelines,” Mike Crapo, a Republican senator from Idaho who co-authored the amendment, said of the new proposal.

That’s a big deal, because Nord Stream 2 is being financed by a consortium of five European energy majors
Germany and Austria on Thursday sharply criticized the U.S. Senate’s plan to add sanctions on Russia, describing it as an illegal attempt to boost U.S. gas exports and interfere in Europe’s energy market. […]



Nord Stream 2 would double the capacity of a pipeline link between Russia and Germany (that transits the floor of the Baltic Sea). Critics say it will increase Europe’s dependence on Gazprom supplies of natural gas and leave the region more vulnerable to Moscow’s bullying. Proponents—led by Germany, which stands to gain the most from the construction of this project—see a chance to beef up their energy security by accessing more supply volumes.

On the sidelines of this debate sits Ukraine, which stands to lose the most if Nord Stream 2 goes forward. Much of Russia’s access to the European market has historically depended on pipelines that transit Ukraine, but after Moscow’s annexation of Crimea, Gazprom has actively sought alternative routes for getting its wares to its European customers, thereby depriving Kyiv of lucrative transit fees.

While many capitals in Europe are protesting the pipeline through the lens of checking Russian aggression and as a means of showing solidarity with Ukraine, the arguments ginned up by the pipeline’s supporters—Germany and Austria, for example, are accusing the U.S. of using these sanctions to aid its own LNG sales in the European market
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Which is incredibly stupid since the US has no pipelines to Europe.
If you think tankers can compete with pipelines ....
 
Rune said:
Which is incredibly stupid since the US has no pipelines to Europe.
If you think tankers can compete with pipelines ....
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Well sunshine we import huge quantities of gas from Qatar by tanker. Indeed the US is now sending over fracked gas to the Ineos petrochemical plant in Scotland.
 
Rune said:
Which is incredibly stupid since the US has no pipelines to Europe.
If you think tankers can compete with pipelines ....
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completely missing both the idea that sanctions are generally unwanted by Europe,
as well as US supplies are a viable competition.
also I'd argue US sanctions on Russia helped reduce LNG transit fees to the Ukraine.

we are like elephants in the jewelry store, smashing and destroying towards our own ends
and not even considering our freinds needs
 
blackascoal said:
More moron comments.

There are reasons why they're doing this now that are way over the head of a dummy like you .. including the fact that Moon campaigned on it, AND the rising anger throughout his country.

If you don't mind I'd like to get back to talking to adults.
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Has nothing to do with Trump. :pke:
 
I never got an answer.

A. Are South Koreans "angry at Trump", or are They scared of China, who reacted aggressively to the THAAD deployment?

Even the failing NYT says South Korea "Voices Support for U.S. Antimissile System".

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/world/asia/south-korea-thaad-missile-defense.html

B. Are these allegedly unilaterally angry South Koreans extending "the olive branch of peace", or simply making another in a long series of diplomatic feints which have been ongoing for decades?

Why blame Trump for a missile deployment that was announced before he was president, and say that the new president of South Korea was "shocked" even though it was publicly announced?

https://missilethreat.csis.org/south-korea-thaad-deployment-timeline-announced/
 
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