South Africa strain is beginning to get around the vaccine

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The South African strain of Covid-19 has a lower response to the vaccines. Hopefully, it is not enough to make the vaccines ineffective, but because we have no idea how effective they are in preventing transmission, we can not be sure.

The UK strain is not causing a problem with the vaccines, but is twice as transmissible as the original Covid-19.

At some point the two are probably going to intermix. If two different strains of a virus infect the same cell, at the same time, the viruses that come from that will share traits of both strains.

So lots of bad news. This is quickly moving towards being seasonal, which might mean we will be dealing with this for decades.

As with any problem, giving up hope does nothing. But, false hope also does nothing good. We have to keep working hard to defeat this.
 
Walt said:
The South African strain of Covid-19 has a lower response to the vaccines. Hopefully, it is not enough to make the vaccines ineffective, but because we have no idea how effective they are in preventing transmission, we can not be sure.

The UK strain is not causing a problem with the vaccines, but is twice as transmissible as the original Covid-19.

At some point the two are probably going to intermix. If two different strains of a virus infect the same cell, at the same time, the viruses that come from that will share traits of both strains.

So lots of bad news. This is quickly moving towards being seasonal, which might mean we will be dealing with this for decades.

As with any problem, giving up hope does nothing. But, false hope also does nothing good. We have to keep working hard to defeat this.
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You have no idea what's going on around you, do you?

Get used to the Rona, it's here pretty much as long as we are.
 
Guille said:
You have no idea what's going on around you, do you?

Get used to the Rona, it's here pretty much as long as we are.
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We cannot say that with certainty, but it certainly is a possibility. If it is evolving quickly enough, then it will become seasonal, and will be around for as long as influenza is around. That could mean we all live on average 5 or 10 years less.

Or maybe not. I don't have a crystal ball, so do not know for sure. Whatever happens, we need to try our best now to defeat this now. Every day that goes by, it will become harder to defeat.
 
Walt said:
We cannot say that with certainty, but it certainly is a possibility. If it is evolving quickly enough, then it will become seasonal, and will be around for as long as influenza is around. That could mean we all live on average 5 or 10 years less.

Or maybe not. I don't have a crystal ball, so do not know for sure. Whatever happens, we need to try our best now to defeat this now. Every day that goes by, it will become harder to defeat.
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The survival rate is close to 99.8%. I think we'll all be fine.
 
Guille said:
The survival rate is close to 99.8%. I think we'll all be fine.
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The survival rate is closer to 99%. If you get it yearly, that will mean it will have a 50/50 chance of killing you by age 69. Or in other words, we all lose about a decade of life expectancy.
 
More argument that nobody but the very old or otherwise high risk should be taking the risk of these experimental vaccines.
 
Walt said:
The survival rate is closer to 99%. If you get it yearly, that will mean it will have a 50/50 chance of killing you by age 69. Or in other words, we all lose about a decade of life expectancy.
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Wow, I bet the common cold is super jealous.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
More argument that nobody but the very old or otherwise high risk should be taking the risk of these experimental vaccines.
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If we can defeat Covid-19 before it mutates, we can win against this. Doing the same thing, we eliminated Smallpox, and have almost eliminated Polio.

Smallpox in particular was not just deadly, but had an unusually dangerous vaccine. By eliminating the need for the vaccine, we have saved tens of thousands of lives.
 
Winston Smith said:
We need to declare apartheid on South Africa.
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Why only South Africa? It also mutated in the UK. And it has already spread out of both countries, and both strains are already in the USA. Not to mention there is very little cross border movement anyway.
 
Walt said:
The survival rate is closer to 99%. If you get it yearly, that will mean it will have a 50/50 chance of killing you by age 69. Or in other words, we all lose about a decade of life expectancy.
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But Alter, the longer it’s around the more time herd immunity has to catch up with it/them. What do you think happened to the Spanish Flu in the pre-vaccine era?

Why didn’t pretty much the whole world die off by 1930?
 
Darth Omar said:
But Alter, the longer it’s around the more time herd immunity has to catch up with it/them. What do you think happened to the Spanish Flu in the pre-vaccine era?

Why didn’t pretty much the whole world die off by 1930?
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Now that all depends on how often it mutates, and remember it is man made....we hope that does not mean that it will mutate faster than natural bugs and not get less deadly as it mutates as most bugs do.

We just dont know....we dont have experience with the evolution of man made bugs after they escape the birth lab.

This could still end up to be a horrific tragedy.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Now that all depends on how often it mutates, and remember it is man made....we hope that does not mean that it will mutate faster than natural bugs and not get less deadly as it mutates as most bugs do.

We just dont know....we dont have experience with the evolution of man made bugs after they escape the birth lab.

This could still end up to be a horrific tragedy.
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Meh, I doubt it.

Gain-function experiments have to do with producing chimeras and not so much with speeding up evolution. Besides, speed of evolution with these bugs is plenty fast enough already. Seasonal flu viruses evolve seasonally, for example.

Then there’s the direction of evolution. There’s nothing that prevents it from evolving to less virulent forms.

And we don’t know about the origins of this one. There’s reason to suspect it’s from a lab but we don’t know that for certain. From an evolutionary or immunological standpoint it probably doesn’t matter which is the case.

And as I pointed out to Alter-Walter, the human immune system is remarkably adaptable. It’s had no end of ‘practice’ making adaptations to different pathogens. Our immune systems ‘know’ nothing of Chinese labs—they just recognize a virus [a foreign protein, specifically] and they respond accordingly.

The greatest probability is the China virus will be defeated by the human immune system over time. With a little help from vaccines.
 
Darth Omar said:
But Alter, the longer it’s around the more time herd immunity has to catch up with it/them.
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If it is evolving around vaccines and natural immunity fast enough to become seasonal, then herd immunity will never be achieved. Or more accurately, herd immunity to one strain will be achieved, but it will move on to another strain every time.

Even there, it has been proven that immunity to Covid-19 fades relatively quickly, so we could even get the same strain multiple times.

Darth Omar said:
What do you think happened to the Spanish Flu in the pre-vaccine era?
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Influenza would be a good example. We have never achieved immunity to influenza, but rather to each successive strain. Of course Covid-19 would be worse as immunity to previous strains faded, whereas influenza immunity is for life.
 
Walt said:
If it is evolving around vaccines and natural immunity fast enough to become seasonal, then herd immunity will never be achieved. Or more accurately, herd immunity to one strain will be achieved, but it will move on to another strain every time.

Even there, it has been proven that immunity to Covid-19 fades relatively quickly, so we could even get the same strain multiple times.



Influenza would be a good example. We have never achieved immunity to influenza, but rather to each successive strain. Of course Covid-19 would be worse as immunity to previous strains faded, whereas influenza immunity is for life.
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You're such a negative cunt Salty, go fuck yourself!
 
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