Someone explain this to me

[AProudLefty]

Nobody is asking for the energy sector to be gutted. Nice strawman though.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Nobody is asking for the energy sector to be gutted. Nice strawman though.

LIAR

 

[Walt]

North Sea deposits are winding down

Norway is not decreasing production, and still has major natural gas reserves. Russia has bigger natural gas reserves, but does not have the money/stability to invest in infrastructure to get it to market. Remember Putin is confiscating foreign investments, which tends to make people less willing to invest.

On top of which, Germany has a huge investment in liquified natural gas terminals that it barely uses.

 

[Walt]

LIAR

What happened to the old conservatives who could debate policy based on facts? They have been replaced by Alt Right lunatics like "Hawkeye" who claim every fact they do not like is a lie.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Norway is not decreasing production, and still has major natural gas reserves. Russia has bigger natural gas reserves, but does not have the money/stability to invest in infrastructure to get it to market. Remember Putin is confiscating foreign investments, which tends to make people less willing to invest.

On top of which, Germany has a huge investment in liquified natural gas terminals that it barely uses.

North Sea deposits are winding down.

Do you comprehend?

Y

N

 

[Hawkeye10]

What happened to the old conservatives who could debate policy based on facts? They have been replaced by Alt Right lunatics like "Hawkeye" who claim every fact they do not like is a lie.

I dont want to say...I am a socialist.....which I claim is on the LEFT.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I am done for now....this is what is currently better than you fucks:

 

[katzgar]

Lie. Throwing insults is not a rebuttal.

Wasn't meant to be a rebuttal there is nothing to rebut

 

[Hawkeye10]

Apologizes to the BETTER PEOPLE who reside here....

I have had enough for now.

 

[katzgar]

He's referring to Biden, dumbass. Pay attention.

glad you are willing to admit your guy is a fuck up

 

[Noking]

If there’s one thing we can all agree on is we are in a recession.

How are we supposed to pull out of it while gutting the energy sector by instituting Green stuff and raising taxes at the same time?

It seems that would only deepen it—or if we’re very lucky, just extend it for a decade.

Where am I wrong?

This can be explained to you for ever, and you still won't understand.

 

[Darth Omar]

This can be explained to you for ever, and you still won't understand.

Well, where has it worked before lol?

 

[Noking]

Well, where has it worked before lol?

When has trickle down economics ever worked??????????????????

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

So.. let me get this straight. You think your claim without any support is more valid than my claim supported by scientists and a government produced study of actual costs.

As I have pointed out before about your style of "argument" you simply resort to calling any facts you don't like fallacies, the fallacy fallacy.
Since the government uses actual costs to tell us what the costs of power is how can you claim it is a prediction? It seems you are simply throw out terms without regard to the actual underlying facts.

I pointed to cost per KWH per source and you responded by pointing out land area needed which is not the cost of production. Land is often a minor cost. For instance in the case of wind farms, the land is used for other purposes so the total land needed is not relevant for the cost. You provided no source disputing the EIA numbers. Simply claiming they are wrong is a fallacy. I'll let you figure out which fallacy that is.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Okay. Let's compare.

A Subaru Forester (a smaller gasoline car) has a range of approx 480 miles on a single tank of fuel. It takes about 5 minutes to refuel. Thus, to drive 2000 miles, the Subaru will require 25 minutes of refueling time total. I can drive it literally anywhere there's a road and cross open deserts without having to refuel.

A Tesla model 3 has a range of approx 250 miles on a single charge of 80%. Because there are few recharging stations of the SuperCharger type, a safe range is approx 150 miles. Recharging this car back to 80% requires approx 20 minutes assuming this range. To drive the 2000 miles, the Tesla will require 5 hours of charging time total. There is some controversy surrounding treating the battery this way and its longevity. Replacing the battery is very expensive. As the battery deteriorates, range is reduced. The battery begins to deteriorate even before you buy the car new. Tesla warranties their batteries for eight years, which means the battery will perform at 7/10ths of it's capacity when new. The Tesla is limited to popular routes for using the SuperCharger stations.

In the Subaru, I have plenty of heat and air conditioning while I drive, charging ports for my phone and game consoles such as the Nintendo Switch or Nintendo 3DS, nice bright headlights, driver assist technology, and can carry 5 passengers plus baggage and even tow a small trailer. There are Subaru cars that have been on the road for over 15 years with no appreciable loss of performance.

In the Tesla model 3, using HVAC reduces your range significantly. So does using charging ports. So do the headlights. It also has driver assist and can seat 5. There is no towing capability in the Tesla (except in Europe) unless you add an aftermarket tow hitch. Towing severely reduces range on a Tesla. The towing capacity is comparable to a Subaru Forester.

The Forester costs $25k new with these features. The Tesla costs $46 new with these features.

Standard charging time of a Tesla is 8-10 hours.

I'll take the Subaru.

Nice cherry picking of data after you move the goalposts. Tesla currently has cars that have a range of 400 miles. I know of no one that drives 400 miles without stopping for coffee and to eat and go to the bathroom. I don't know that I have driven 250 miles without stopping. As to your Forester claim, you aren't driving it 480 miles between fuel ups unless you want to risk running out of gas.

You are free to choose the Forester. I would recommend one since I have owned one. (410 miles per tank was the average car's estimate on fill up.)

Of course you have failed to count the fact that for most normal driving the Tesla would actually save you time and money. You park your car in the garage and it takes 30 seconds to plug it in vs the 5 minutes to fill up. My car is typically in my garage for 10-12 hours each day. If I am driving cross country I am in a hotel for 8-10 hours. You seem to be implying that people drive their cars 24 hours a day.

 

[anatta]

Germany is a mess? In what way? I see they have similar GDP growth to the US for the last decade. They have reduced energy consumption during that same period and moved to more renewables.

You need to be more specific as to how they are a mess because it isn't in their economic data.

wind farms are killing birds of prey / public resistance is slowing down permits.

They still have to use coal and wood pellets. wood pellets acidify and rank out the air. coal you know.
They have a lot of diesels.

Spiegle -read for yourself
https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...the-road-to-a-renewable-future-a-1266586.html
Germany's Federal Court of Auditors is even more forthright about the failures. The shift to renewables, the federal auditors say, has cost at least 160 billion euros in the last five years. Meanwhile, the expenditures "are in extreme disproportion to the results," Federal Court of Auditors President Kay Scheller said last fall, although his assessment went largely unheard in the political arena. Scheller is even concerned that voters could soon lose all faith in the government because of this massive failure.

Surveys document the transformation of this grand idea into an even grander frustration. Despite being hugely accepting initially, Germans now see it as being too expensive, too chaotic and too unfair.

 

[anatta]

renewable energy implicated in rolling blackouts during California heat wave
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...ated-rolling-blackouts-during-california-heat

 

[Into the Night]

Sorry, stopped reading

Apology NOT accepted. Go fuck yourself.

when you claimed that fossil fuel burning internal combustion engines

There are none. Fossils don't burn.

have not replaced horses in the modern economy.

Horses still exist.

My reality is they have been almost entirely replaced.

Nope. They still exist.

I have never ridden a horse to work, and have never had any goods delivered to me by horse.

So?

Night lives in a different reality.

Define 'reality'. Buzzword fallacy.

In his reality, there are no viral pneumonia,

There isn't.

almost all economic statistics are lies,

Mathematics is not a lie. What you are calling mathematics is not mathematics.

and Congress passes super secret laws telling the Fed what to do.

Nothing secret out any of it. It's public record.

We end up bogged down in debate where he will accept no evidence from any source that disproves him,

A Holy Link is not a proof. I do not accept anything that is fake news, anything from CNN, MSNBC, the Associated Press, Wikipedia, or Google as a proof. You cannot make me accept your crap as a proof.

nor will provide any evidence of his claims.

Already have. RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

That is just not true.

It is, dude.

Germany creates 52% of its electricity through renewable fuels,

More than that, as documented from 2019 figures by Germany.

and only 41% through fossil fuels.

None. Fossils don't burn.

The only major country that beats it is Denmark. For a reference, the USA is 14% reusable, and 70% fossil fuels.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html

I don't want to live in Denmark either.

Night is almost entirely wrong.

No, that would be you that simply not paying attention.

There are some rarely used way to generate oil and natural gas renewably,

All oil and natural gas is renewable fuel.

and over hundreds of millions of years new oil and natural gas can form.

Nope. Mere hours.

But even ethanol is not an oil,

Correct. It's an alcohol. No one is talking about ethanol except you. Why are you trying to redirect into this strawman?

so Night is 99.999% wrong.

Random number. Argument from randU fallacy.

Germany has a $4 trillion economy with regular over 2% growth, which means their GDP grows by about $100 BILLION or about 200 times higher than you claim.

Nope. It isn't growing much at all.

 

[Into the Night]

Germany imports from Norway, Netherlands, and Russia, and has enough capacity that it does not need to import from Russia. Russia could drive up the price a little by shutting its pipeline, but Germany is a rich economy, and would be fine. Many Eastern European counties are not so fortunate.

Then why is it importing natural gas and oil from Russia?