Some Pissed Off Progressives

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You're on record as supporting these tax cuts. There are no corresponding spending cuts accompanying these tax cuts. Hence, you support tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts. A true deficit hawk wouldn't.

My god you are a fucking moron. It is the mentality of idiots like you that keep this country going the wrong way. It is your mentality that you share with your masters in DC that seem to think everything must be done all in one bill. Which leads us to 2000 page documents that NO ONE knows everything in the bill. Keep It Simple Stupid.

The tax brackets were a priority. The spending cuts can still be done and pushed for. The majority of the population wants them.

But idiots like you stand by and chirp 'but golly gee, they are going to cut all of our welfare state programs'. you don't even give it a chance... just like your masters. Learn to think for yourself.

 

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"It's federal income taxes, the subject of discussion."

In my post, I specifically pointed to other taxes & fees.

Even so, even with state and local taxes are roughly 10% on average. So even with the 39% bracket plus state and local taxes, the average person in the top 1% is paying around 35%, just a shade over your ideal of one third (assuming it exists) and nowhere near 50%.

The way this thread is going is kind of a microcosm of the national debate and particularly the debate we see time & again in Washington. Both sides have been brainwashed to think that there is no middle ground here. I reject the argument that defense will win out over food stamps any day.

The bill that progressives are all up in arms about is exactly the kind of compromise bill that we should be seeing all of the time in Washington.

I actually support the deal. I just disagree with the way you're framing the issue. First, a top margina tax rate of 39% isn't "high." Second, progressives aren't clamoring to keep taxes "high" just for the sake of high taxes. There are real reasons for it.

And you can reject any argument you want, it doesn't therefore follow that people that are upset about this deal are completely baseless. Many many many Republicans are on record for fighting to balance the budget while not touching the Defense budget. Well, to do that requires draconian cuts in social safety net programs. That's the reality.

 

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A) I really don't care about historical standards, at all, when it comes to taxes. When you add in other taxes & fees, someone at 39% ends up paying almost half of their income to taxes; I find that unacceptable.

I really don't care what you find acceptable Onceler. You're an idiot.

You're entire argument is based off of just inventing some arbitrary tax ceiling that you find abominable for no real reason than you find it abominable. It's not until you start making a million or so a year that your tax rate even approaches 36% or 39% anyway.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

As a democrat who thinks that some programs are great, even necessary, and need to be funded, I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with Lorax....again. We have programs in the US that need to be funded...programs that provide safety nets for the poor and help for senior citizens. But for a person to have to pay nearly half of thier income in taxes is in no way acceptable.

So they'll make 1 million a year instead of 1.10 million a year. They aren't hurting. Stop you're bleeding hearts.

 

[Bonestorm]

My god you are a fucking moron. It is the mentality of idiots like you that keep this country going the wrong way. It is your mentality that you share with your masters in DC that seem to think everything must be done all in one bill. Which leads us to 2000 page documents that NO ONE knows everything in the bill. Keep It Simple Stupid.

The tax brackets were a priority. The spending cuts can still be done and pushed for. The majority of the population wants them.

But idiots like you stand by and chirp 'but golly gee, they are going to cut all of our welfare state programs'. you don't even give it a chance... just like your masters. Learn to think for yourself.

Hilarious for a number of reasons. First, we all know what happens when tax cuts and spending cuts are not in the same bill; the spending cuts never happen.

Second, people like you always require that spending bills (like the unemployment extension) have a source of revenue or cuts elsewhere to ensure that the spending is "revenue neutral." According to the above, it should be all well and good to come up with funding at a later date for new spending.

Third, it is a convenient tool for people who support tax cuts and claim to be deficit hawks to decouple the loss in revenue from tax cuts and the programs that will be required to be cut as a result. Requiring tax cuts to have corresponding spending cuts give the people a clear choice, i.e., either people over $250,000 get a tax cut or funding for Head Start gets cut. That's the choice. Decoupling the revenue cuts from the spending cuts is just a convenient way for you and your to avoid the results of the policies you support, it avoids the actual difficult choices that have to be made and it avoids the public having a clear understanding of the results of various policy proposals.

Fourth, again with the personal attacks to compensate for your personal inadequacies. Grow up.

 

[Onceler]

Even so, even with state and local taxes are roughly 10% on average. So even with the 39% bracket plus state and local taxes, the average person in the top 1% is paying around 35%, just a shade over your ideal of one third (assuming it exists) and nowhere near 50%.

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Some state taxes alone are close to 10%. You're fudging.

Sales taxes, payroll taxes, capital gains taxes, sin taxes, gas taxes. You're not adding it all in.

We're in an unsustainable situation right now, on the front of both taxes and spending. Radical change is not an option - it's a necessity. Anyone who thinks we can keep on as we have been is pretty blind to what's happening.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

While that may be the discussion, it was NOT what Lorax stated. Lorax brought up the TOTAL taxes the top people pay. He did not refer to JUST fed income tax.

The total taxes could only plausibly add up to 50% if you were making multi-millions a year and living in New York City.

 

[leaningright]

The total taxes could only plausibly add up to 50% if you were making multi-millions a year and living in New York City.

My total taxes add up to over 34%...and I live in rural Oklahoma. I'm sure they add up to much more in OKC or NYC or almost anyplace else. Oh, guess what? I contend that I get less for my tax buck nowadays as well. Our roads are in worse shape than they have ever been when I was a kid. Our schools are struggling to survive. But that gets me off onto state and local politics and we weren't talking about that. I fall into roughly the 25% Fed. tax bracket. I think that is enough for someone of my payscale.

 

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Hilarious for a number of reasons. First, we all know what happens when tax cuts and spending cuts are not in the same bill; the spending cuts never happen.

Again...'chirp... we can't do it' ....'chirp... we can't do it' 'gimme my cracker'

I am going to keep parroting the same bullshit over and over and over again because MY opinion on what your views are is all that matters. What you actually believe is irrelevant

Yes, that much is apparent.

Fourth, again with the personal attacks to compensate for your personal inadequacies. Grow up.

Calling a moron a 'moron' is not an insult. It is simply fact. No different than calling a white person... 'white'.

Funny that you tell others to grow up, all the while you sit there throwing your tantrums stamping your feet demanding that my views be what you want them to be rather than what they actually are.

You fucking moron.

 

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The total taxes could only plausibly add up to 50% if you were making multi-millions a year and living in New York City.

Not true. If you are self employed and making $109k (anywhere in the US)... you start out with 15% tax for SS. If you live in CA... add in 8.5%. Add in Federal income tax and you are 40-45% pretty quickly. That doesn't include taxes on property, sales tax, city taxes etc...

 

[Chapdog]

There should be a constitutional law that prohibits taxes from being more then 1/3 of your income. Then it wouldn't matter what the marginal tax rate was. For all I care it could be 90%. I would also be in favor of a floor. No reason in life that anyone shouldn't be paying at least 5%.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

There should be a constitutional law that prohibits taxes from being more then 1/3 of your income. Then it wouldn't matter what the marginal tax rate was. For all I care it could be 90%. I would also be in favor of a floor. No reason in life that anyone shouldn't be paying at least 5%.

It hurts a single mother making 20k a year a lot more to take 5% of her income than it does to take 50% of the income of someone making a million a year. It also generates practically nothing in actual revenue - just cruelty for the sake of cruelty.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

My total taxes add up to over 34%...and I live in rural Oklahoma. I'm sure they add up to much more in OKC or NYC or almost anyplace else. Oh, guess what? I contend that I get less for my tax buck nowadays as well. Our roads are in worse shape than they have ever been when I was a kid. Our schools are struggling to survive. But that gets me off onto state and local politics and we weren't talking about that. I fall into roughly the 25% Fed. tax bracket. I think that is enough for someone of my payscale.

Being in the 25% tax bracket doesn't mean you pay 25% in taxes. You actually have to be making about 300k a year to be paying 25% in income taxes (if you're married):

Of course, there is the SS tax, which for all intents and purposes is a 15% flat tax. And since it has no bottom cutoff, it actually probably hits a majority of Americans worse than the actual income tax (although this is hidden because half of it is paid by your employer - I would personally assume that in the long run this would just lead to decreased wages and have practically the same effect as a full direct 15% flat tax).

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Some state taxes alone are close to 10%. You're fudging.

Sales taxes, payroll taxes, capital gains taxes, sin taxes, gas taxes. You're not adding it all in.

We're in an unsustainable situation right now, on the front of both taxes and spending. Radical change is not an option - it's a necessity. Anyone who thinks we can keep on as we have been is pretty blind to what's happening.

Capital gains taxes? That's just a tax break from income that happens to be derived from a specific method.

 

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It hurts a single mother making 20k a year a lot more to take 5% of her income than it does to take 50% of the income of someone making a million a year. It also generates practically nothing in actual revenue - just cruelty for the sake of cruelty.

Not if that small business owner making a million would have used that tax money to give someone who is unemployed a job.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Wow, Oklahoma has the most ridiculous tax system of all time:



If your income range is between $0 and $1,000, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 0.5%.
If your income range is between $1,001 and $2,500, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 1%.
If your income range is between $2,501 and $3,750, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 2%.
If your income range is between $3,751 and $4,900, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 3%.
If your income range is between $4,901 and $7,200, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 4%.
If your income range is between $7,201 and $8,700, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 5%.
If your income range is $8,701 and over, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 5.5%.


I guess it's something you only need to look at every century or so anyway.

 

[Good Luck]

The mindset of modern liberals:

AFL-CIO czar Richard Trumka said: "It is unconscionable that the price of support for struggling middle class families and workers who have been unable to find jobs for months and months and months is yet more giveaways for our country's wealthiest families.

First, the talk is about KEEPING the current tax levels, not making further cuts. So all the "more tax cuts for the rich" is typical liberal class warfare bullshit.

Second, how is taking LESS from someone, regardless of their economic status, a "GIVEAWAY"? More liberal bullshit rhetoric.

The GIVEAWAY is when tax credits end up giving money to people who do not pay any taxes, such as child tax credits and earned income credit: welfare built into the tax codes.