Some inconvenient stats for Kap and co

Right, and it's not just the killing by cops. As a white guy, it is outside my realm of experience, but a people with brown skin are undoubtedly subject to widespread harassment, intimidation, and wrongful detention and arrest by law enforcement. Obviously there are a lot of decent, honest cops, but law enforcement as an institution is anything but fair and equitable to people of color and lower income people of all colors.

If it's "outside my realm of experience", what are you basing your screed on? Your "feelings"?
 
Even when the cop says he is gonna kill you, & then kills you~ they can't get a conviction. If it's filmed, witnesses, pretty much kill w/ impunity, & some in this country are just fine w/ that........

Let's see your examples, silly Billy. I want video.
 
They seem to think rhetoric refutes statistics.
Strawman statistics. Keeping message board bandwidth full for decades.

White on white crime far exceeds black on black crime.

Which has what to do with rogue cops not being prosecuted because of racist prosecutors/grand juries?
 
Strawman statistics. Keeping message board bandwidth full for decades.

White on white crime far exceeds black on black crime.

Which has what to do with rogue cops not being prosecuted because of racist prosecutors/grand juries?

don't forget Freddie Grey where the prosecutor grossly over-charged and everybody walked.
AND Baltimore has a citizens review board...no easy answers. look a t some of the conflicts listed just ehre

https://www.policeone.com/police-re...se-violence-and-police-reform-simultaneously/
Can Baltimore address intense violence and police reform simultaneously?
Days into 2017, as Baltimore's historic spike in homicides stretched into a third calendar year, Mayor Catherine Pugh and Police Commissioner Kevin Davis announced the latest approach to violence.

They would reassign 100 officers from mostly administrative posts to join street patrols.

They did not say where they would find the officers. But according to transfer documents obtained by The Baltimore Sun, nearly half were members of the Police Department's Community Collaboration Division — the unit that was expanded after the unrest of 2015 to rebuild relations with the community.


The reassignments slashed the unit by more than 80 percent.

A week later, Pugh and Davis appeared again in the same ornate room in City Hall to announce the agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice to reform the department. Among the requirements: to "develop and implement community-engagement plans" to create opportunities for "routine and frequent positive interactions between officers and community members."

The debate around resources and budgets, and whether the need to protect lives and property is in conflict with the march toward justice, isn't new. But analysts say it has become more complicated.

"It's not that you're just taking on a new challenge," said Samuel Walker, a professor emeritus of criminology and criminal justice at the University of Nebraska, Omaha. "You're taking on a whole new approach to policing.

"We are going to have to go the extra mile here to get over this initial learning process, this steep learning curve."

Justice Department investigators concluded that police in Baltimore routinely violated residents' constitutional rights, and most often in poor, predominantly black neighborhoods; used excessive force; dismissed sexual assault complaints improperly; and engaged improperly with protesters, youths and those with mental disabilities.

Under the consent decree, officers will be required to contact a supervisor before making arrests for minor crimes such as resisting an officer or disorderly conduct. They will be barred from using restraints such as chokeholds, unless deadly force is authorized, and from stopping and detaining people who are in the company of others suspected of a crime without being able to make a case that they have committed a crime or are about to themselves.

They will be required to undergo new training. Techniques that have in recent decades become staples of the Baltimore police officer's tool kit — such as indiscriminately "clearing corners" in trouble spots — would be prohibited. (heroin corner boys dealers)

Meanwhile, violence in the city has grown in the 21 months since the death of Freddie Gray. The 25-year-old Baltimore man died in April 2015 after sustaining a severe spinal cord injury in police custody. On the day of his funeral, the city erupted in arson, looting and riots.

Homicides in Baltimore jumped from 211 in 2014 to 344 in 2015 — the most, per capita, in city history. There were 318 more killings in 2016, the second deadliest year.

And with 28 homicides in the first 27 days, 2017 is now on pace to surpass both.
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Lt. Gene Ryan, president of the police union local in Baltimore that represents rank-and-file officers, said there are "definitely going to be some challenges and a conflict" in Baltimore between the reforms and the crime fight.

"Some of the stuff that the DOJ recommended we think is unconstitutional, and the police commissioner already put into place some policies that we think are overreaching," he said.

He cites the department's new use-of-force policy, which imposes new limits on the circumstances under which officers can use weapons.

"It's going to restrict the police officers from actually being able to do their jobs," Ryan said.

Others — including law enforcement analysts and civil liberties advocates — disagree. They say past concerns that reforms would undermine the crime fight proved unfounded.

David Rocah, senior staff attorney at the ACLU of Maryland, said there is "an inherent difficulty" in introducing reforms and dealing with high crime rates at the same time.
 
I've got an idea: convince your party to run on the platform that there are no issues in the black community, that minorities are just fabricating this problem, and that in 2017, we have no problems w/ racism and that everyone is treated equally.

Here's an even better idea.

Support the 'war on blacks' narrative with some statistics because it is doing nothing to help the cause. In fact, it's damaging.
 
Strawman statistics. Keeping message board bandwidth full for decades.

White on white crime far exceeds black on black crime.

Which has what to do with rogue cops not being prosecuted because of racist prosecutors/grand juries?

Is that today's goal post?

I thought it was cops having open season on blacks.
 
Here's an even better idea.

Support the 'war on blacks' narrative with some statistics because it is doing nothing to help the cause. In fact, it's damaging.

Damaging to who?

Let's hear it: do you think we have equality in this country...particularly equal treatment under the law?
 
White guys laying out the case that our criminal justice system is more than fair - in fact, biased in favor of - people with brown skin.

You simply cannot make this shit up.

Comedy gold, I tell you. Thanks, Trump-ettes!

nice retort idiot. OP posts statistics and you just grumble. Way to really advance your argument!
 
I've got an idea: convince your party to run on the platform that there are no issues in the black community, that minorities are just fabricating this problem, and that in 2017, we have no problems w/ racism and that everyone is treated equally.

that's a bit of a strawman. OP is specifically about police shootings. OP posted actual numbers. It's called science. Is it too sciency for you?

Me: Support global warming because of science and statistics, also believes statistics that OP posts
You: Only believes stats that you like and that support your agenda
 
Damaging to who?

Let's hear it: do you think we have equality in this country...particularly equal treatment under the law?

No, but it has more to do with class than race. Who do you think would have a better chance of escaping prosecution, Oprah or an unemployed coal miner from Logan co. WV?

The Fake narrative [aka lie] is damaging to relations between cops and the black community. Did you read the statistics?
 
that's a bit of a strawman. OP is specifically about police shootings. OP posted actual numbers. It's called science. Is it too sciency for you?

Me: Support global warming because of science and statistics, also believes statistics that OP posts
You: Only believes stats that you like and that support your agenda

Is Kaep's protest strictly about the shootings?

Why don't you call out the OP as a strawman, then?
 
that's a bit of a strawman. OP is specifically about police shootings. OP posted actual numbers. It's called science. Is it too sciency for you?

Me: Support global warming because of science and statistics, also believes statistics that OP posts
You: Only believes stats that you like and that support your agenda

I tell what is not "sciency", Einstein. Jumping to conclusions and accepting the premise of threads without doing any fact checking or verifying anything for yourself.

Eric Reid: Why Colin Kaepernick and I Decided to Take a Knee

I approached Colin the Saturday before our next game to discuss how I could get involved with the cause but also how we could make a more powerful and positive impact on the social justice movement. We spoke at length about many of the issues that face our community, including systemic oppression against people of color, police brutality and the criminal justice system. We also discussed how we could use our platform, provided to us by being professional athletes in the N.F.L., to speak for those who are voiceless.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html?mcubz=1
 
you fucks miss the most important point...........

cops/GOVERNMENT kills civilians with relative impunity no matter the 'race' because the courts grant qualified immunity, cities 'settle' with damaged parties if they don't, and should an actual case go to trial, the idiotic civilians exercise their brainwashed retard pans to acquit the murderers because COPS ARE HEROESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
that's a bit of a strawman. OP is specifically about police shootings. OP posted actual numbers. It's called science. Is it too sciency for you?

Me: Support global warming because of science and statistics, also believes statistics that OP posts
You: Only believes stats that you like and that support your agenda

The OP was thoroughly debunked on the first page, fool
 
No, but it has more to do with class than race. Who do you think would have a better chance of escaping prosecution, Oprah or an unemployed coal miner from Logan co. WV?

The Fake narrative [aka lie] is damaging to relations between cops and the black community. Did you read the statistics?

No, dick, your fake lie has been refuted.
Pay attention racist cunt.
 
Even when the cop says he is gonna kill you, & then kills you~ they can't get a conviction.:palm:

If it's filmed, witnesses, pretty much kill w/ impunity, & some in this country are just fine w/ that........

I see that once again, you've been triggered. :good4u:
 
I've got an idea: convince your party to run on the platform that there are no issues in the black community, that minorities are just fabricating this problem, and that in 2017, we have no problems w/ racism and that everyone is treated equally.

OR

The liberals could run on a platform that Blacks are just victims and need to be taken care of, like children.

OH-WAIT!!

You already tried that and failed miserably.

:truestory:
 
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