blackascoal
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Some historical perspective on Snowden
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Not if includes people like Obama, any Clinton, including Chelsea, John Kerry, Susan Rice, Eric Holder, or anybody who stood mute while Obama was attacking planet earth.
tekkychick
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In this particular thread, I was focusing on Snowden; how he changed from being pro-surveillance (under Bush) to anti-surveillance (under Obama) and how obnoxious his posts in the chat room were.
Did the patriot act get better under Obama? a little, and more stuff was legalized. It still sucks.
Did we know this was already happening? yup, from the Echelon days and whatnot.
Is this only one facet of siphoning off of our information? Yum, govt does it, businesses do it, we have lost our right to privacy and gained... targeted ads?
I still think Snowden is a jerk who abused his job position and security classification to expose info about a program when he had no idea what that exposure would mean to the US's national security, to our agents around the world, etc. Unlike Wikileaks in the past which did some screening of the data it released before it was released, Snowden just wanted it all put out there; the press did some redactions though.
This article to me just proves Snowden is a putz, has always been a putz, and he's now a glory-seeking putz who is finding out his actions may have more consequences than he thought.
Did the patriot act get better under Obama? a little, and more stuff was legalized. It still sucks.
Did we know this was already happening? yup, from the Echelon days and whatnot.
Is this only one facet of siphoning off of our information? Yum, govt does it, businesses do it, we have lost our right to privacy and gained... targeted ads?
I still think Snowden is a jerk who abused his job position and security classification to expose info about a program when he had no idea what that exposure would mean to the US's national security, to our agents around the world, etc. Unlike Wikileaks in the past which did some screening of the data it released before it was released, Snowden just wanted it all put out there; the press did some redactions though.
This article to me just proves Snowden is a putz, has always been a putz, and he's now a glory-seeking putz who is finding out his actions may have more consequences than he thought.
blackascoal
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I'm glad there was Snowden .. regardless of his motives.
We have known what this government does, but it was a bit of a surprise to the rest of the world. America and its hypocrisy was once again unmasked.
Of course, so was the lemming-like behavior of the American people.
just remember anti-snowdens, when you find yourself on the same side as karl rove and bush, you might want to question what it is you believe.
blackascoal
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Yes, because seeing an ad for something I don't want is much more creepy than anything a government has ever done to anyone.
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Darla
Unless you find out Karl Rove supports George Zimmerman.
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Darla
I'm troubled by both. Only one however has subverted and redefined my fourth amendment rights.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/u...adens-powers-of-nsa.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp
Interesting:
Created by Congress in 1978 as a check against wiretapping abuses by the government, the court meets in a secure, nondescript room in the federal courthouse in Washington. All of the current 11 judges, who serve seven-year terms, were appointed to the special court by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., and 10 of them were nominated to the bench by Republican presidents. Most hail from districts outside the capital and come in rotating shifts to hear surveillance applications; a single judge signs most surveillance orders, which totaled nearly 1,800 last year. None of the requests from the intelligence agencies was denied, according to the court.
Socrtease
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As much of this has happened under Obama as happened under Bush and still you progressives walk around with cupfulls of the Democratic Kool Aid. The Progressives of SDS and the new left are dead. All the Dems and most progressives care about now is maintaining (barely) left of center power as opposed to right of center power.
There's nothing in the streets, looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left is now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
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Darla
My article is about what happened under Obama, Soc. Try and chill, maybe you should smoke a joint.
tekkychick
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"I smoke two joints in time of peace
And two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints
And then I smoke two more"
And two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints
And then I smoke two more"
They weakened it ?....Do you know something the rest of us don't ?
On May 26, 2011, President Barack Obama signed a bill that reauthorized key elements of the Patriot Act. The bill called for a four-year renewal of some of the most controversial provisions of the surveillance legislation. While the bulk of the Patriot Act is steadfast law, there are certain measures that Congress must periodically reauthorize or else they expire. Among them is roving wiretaps, i.e., the ability of law enforcement officials to track targets if they change phones without law enforcement first consulting a judge.
The expiring provisions of the act came up for re-authorization in late 2009. Despite months of congressional debate and a delayed vote, President Obama ended up signing a re-authorization that included no changes in early 2010.
This year-long extension came up for renewal again in early 2011. In this year's re-authorization battle, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., sponsored an amendment that would have increased congressional oversight of these renewed provisions. Yet the Leahy-Paul Amendment was never brought to a full vote. Ultimately the Patriot Act was reauthorized without any sort of additional oversight included in the final language. By reauthorizing the Patriot Act, President Obama guaranteed (barring any judicial action) that the law will live on in its current form until June 1, 2015.
"The extension of the Patriot Act provisions does not include a single improvement or reform, and includes not even a word that recognises the importance of protecting the civil liberties and constitutional privacy rights of Americans.
President Obama has spoken in the past in favor of more oversight and Attorney General Eric Holder supported the USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2009. Nonetheless, the president signed a reauthorization that included no additional oversight.
http://tinyurl.com/42njn8x
Ouch,,,,this would have been painful if she was inclined to read it and accept the facts of history.....
Desh won't be fucked by facts when her own bullshit is in jeopardy...lol
I'll agree that since BAC changed his tune, he has been consistent and commendably stubborn in his criticism of the President's policies.
lol. Me too.
Fact is I'm not concerned. As I've often said on here, we're in a new day and age of computerized surveillance, espionage and war. Think of it as the industrial revolution with microchips and drones.
The bad guys are using these weapons of the internet to fight their wars now, we need the same weapons to counterattack them. Quite honestly, we need the roving surveillance provision (206), as well as Section 215 which allows monitoring of tangible foreign intelligence with approval of the FISA court, and above all, section 6001 which closed the loophole strengthening monitoring of "lone wolf" terrorists, which could very well be the terrorist of the future. Look at Snowden, a hapless caracture of such a terrorist for an example.
The Patriot Act, by no means, is perfect. But don't kid yourselves it's all Obama's fault, which is increasingly becoming the scream du jour lately. Does anyone really think Congress will do anything to improve it? No.
Althea
Althea told me...
That's not the issue. The issue, is what has the govt. done to YOU?
violated the privacy of millions of my fellow citizens.
blackascoal
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Respectfully, I'm still singing the same tune I sung when Bush was in office. Nothing about me has changed.
That is (the bad things the government does to people) the issue. The issue is not "what has the government done to me?" I guess, I should not care that the government kills people because I am not one of those people? Are you? Anyone else here been killed by the government? No, well then who cares?
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