Some educators who lost jobs over Charlie Kirk comments are now suing

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Some educators who lost their jobs over comments they made in the wake of conservative activist Charlie Kirk's slaying have filed lawsuits claiming their free speech rights were violated.

The school and university employees who have filed suits are some of the dozens of workers across a slew of fields fired or suspended from their jobs or subject to other consequences for their controversial comments, according to a USA TODAY count of news reports and statements. The count includes at least 50 educators.

At least three are fighting back in court, according to reporting by the USA TODAY Network. They include a teacher in Iowa who compared Kirk to a Nazi; a South Carolina teacher's assistant who posted a Kirk quote and said she disagreed with him but called the death a "tragedy"; and an employee of an Indiana university who said Kirk's death was wrong and condemned some of his beliefs.

Kirk, the 31-year-old co-founder of the conservative youth-focused organization Turning Point USA and a close ally of President Donald Trump, was killed on Sept. 10 while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah. Shooting suspect Tyler Robinson has been charged with his murder and accused of firing a single shot with a rifle from a rooftop.

The killing sparked a tense national debate over partisan rhetoric and politically motivated violence, with many conservatives calling for the firing of otherwise non-public figures who celebrated Kirk's death or spoke ill of him in some way.

The three educators – all employed by public school districts and a public university – are protected by the constitutional right to free speech, they argued in separate lawsuits filed in September. A suit filed by former Oskaloosa High School teacher Matthew Kargol in Iowa argued the school district "wielded state power to punish a citizen for expressing his opinion on political issues," reported the Des Moines Register, part of the USA TODAY Network.

"Their actions strike at the heart of the First Amendment and chill the exercise of constitutional rights," Kargol's complaint said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/educators-lost-jobs-over-charlie-151404158.html

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signalmankenneth said:
Some educators who lost their jobs over comments they made in the wake of conservative activist Charlie Kirk's slaying have filed lawsuits claiming their free speech rights were violated.

The school and university employees who have filed suits are some of the dozens of workers across a slew of fields fired or suspended from their jobs or subject to other consequences for their controversial comments, according to a USA TODAY count of news reports and statements. The count includes at least 50 educators.

At least three are fighting back in court, according to reporting by the USA TODAY Network. They include a teacher in Iowa who compared Kirk to a Nazi; a South Carolina teacher's assistant who posted a Kirk quote and said she disagreed with him but called the death a "tragedy"; and an employee of an Indiana university who said Kirk's death was wrong and condemned some of his beliefs.

Kirk, the 31-year-old co-founder of the conservative youth-focused organization Turning Point USA and a close ally of President Donald Trump, was killed on Sept. 10 while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah. Shooting suspect Tyler Robinson has been charged with his murder and accused of firing a single shot with a rifle from a rooftop.

The killing sparked a tense national debate over partisan rhetoric and politically motivated violence, with many conservatives calling for the firing of otherwise non-public figures who celebrated Kirk's death or spoke ill of him in some way.

The three educators – all employed by public school districts and a public university – are protected by the constitutional right to free speech, they argued in separate lawsuits filed in September. A suit filed by former Oskaloosa High School teacher Matthew Kargol in Iowa argued the school district "wielded state power to punish a citizen for expressing his opinion on political issues," reported the Des Moines Register, part of the USA TODAY Network.

"Their actions strike at the heart of the First Amendment and chill the exercise of constitutional rights," Kargol's complaint said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/educators-lost-jobs-over-charlie-151404158.html

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You aren't free from consequences. What dont you assholes understand? Free speech rights only protect you from the govt punishing you for your speech not your employer. Wake the fuck up idiots
 
How many people have said 'yes we have free speech, but free speech has consequences'? For a lot of people that really means free speech for those they support, and consequences for those they don't.

To truly support free speech, it has to be a principled position across the board.
 
signalmankenneth said:
Some educators who lost their jobs over comments they made in the wake of conservative activist Charlie Kirk's slaying have filed lawsuits claiming their free speech rights were violated.

The school and university employees who have filed suits are some of the dozens of workers across a slew of fields fired or suspended from their jobs or subject to other consequences for their controversial comments, according to a USA TODAY count of news reports and statements. The count includes at least 50 educators.

At least three are fighting back in court, according to reporting by the USA TODAY Network. They include a teacher in Iowa who compared Kirk to a Nazi; a South Carolina teacher's assistant who posted a Kirk quote and said she disagreed with him but called the death a "tragedy"; and an employee of an Indiana university who said Kirk's death was wrong and condemned some of his beliefs.

Kirk, the 31-year-old co-founder of the conservative youth-focused organization Turning Point USA and a close ally of President Donald Trump, was killed on Sept. 10 while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah. Shooting suspect Tyler Robinson has been charged with his murder and accused of firing a single shot with a rifle from a rooftop.

The killing sparked a tense national debate over partisan rhetoric and politically motivated violence, with many conservatives calling for the firing of otherwise non-public figures who celebrated Kirk's death or spoke ill of him in some way.

The three educators – all employed by public school districts and a public university – are protected by the constitutional right to free speech, they argued in separate lawsuits filed in September. A suit filed by former Oskaloosa High School teacher Matthew Kargol in Iowa argued the school district "wielded state power to punish a citizen for expressing his opinion on political issues," reported the Des Moines Register, part of the USA TODAY Network.

"Their actions strike at the heart of the First Amendment and chill the exercise of constitutional rights," Kargol's complaint said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/educators-lost-jobs-over-charlie-151404158.html

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MAGAts only like Free Speech for themselves, not anyone who disagrees with them. They truly are evil fucks who deserve everything coming their way.
 
cawacko said:
How many people have said 'yes we have free speech, but free speech has consequences'? For a lot of people that really means free speech for those they support, and consequences for those they don't.

To truly support free speech, it has to be a principled position across the board.
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Agreed. Something the MAGAts/White Nationalists lack.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Wow. Just wow. It seems you are so far into the cult you don't realize that state run schools are not simply an employer.
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Well then if you want to claim they are govt entities, school administrators should be elected. The fact is the govt has no fucking authority to be educating people.
 
Yakuda said:
Well then if you want to claim they are govt entities, school administrators should be elected. The fact is the govt has no fucking authority to be educating people.
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Hmmm.. I guess that means that all USA prosecutors and Supreme Court justices are not actually government workers since they were not elected. The fact is that the majority of the government is not elected and that fact doesn't mean they are no longer part of the government. The board of governors of every state university is put in place by elected officials.

You are so far in the cult you just make stupid comments one right after another without actually thinking about what you are saying. The government has a very strong incentive to educate their population.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Hmmm.. I guess that means that all USA prosecutors and Supreme Court justices are not actually government workers since they were not elected. The fact is that the majority of the government is not elected and that fact doesn't mean they are no longer part of the government. The board of governors of every state university is put in place by elected officials.

You are so far in the cult you just make stupid comments one right after another without actually thinking about what you are saying. The government has a very strong incentive to educate their population.
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Incentive isnt authority. Than you for your admission.
 
Not all speech is covered under the protections of free speech.

These teachers were not fired for Charlie Kirk, they were fired for inappropriate behavior often including inciting hatred, violence, and the overthrow of the U.S. Government.

If these same people were advocating lethal racism, eugenics, supremacy of a Religion, cannibalism, or sex with minors, they would have been similarly fired.

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Not all speech is covered under the protections of free speech.

These teachers were not fired for Charlie Kirk, they were fired for inappropriate behavior often including inciting hatred, violence, and the overthrow of the U.S. Government.

If these same people were advocating lethal racism, eugenics, supremacy of a Religion, cannibalism, or sex with minors, they would have been similarly fired.

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Should this statement get someone fired?

“If you think Charlie Kirk was a wonderful person, we can’t be friends.”
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Thanks for ignoring your stupidity. Maybe if the government had educated you, you might not be quite so stupid. Government run schools are as much a part of the government as ICE officers.
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So you can't show where the govt has the authority to teach people so you strike out at other people like a little bitch.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Should this statement get someone fired?

“If you think Charlie Kirk was a wonderful person, we can’t be friends.”
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If said by the authority figure of a first or second grade teacher, said to a vulnerable, looking for friendship and emotional security seeking student, causing the kid to become, upset, indoctrinated, and radicalized...

Yes!

Context and Interposition of Roles matters allot.

As a Adult to Adult in a known Satirical Conversation, No problem.

Between Avatars on a rough and tumble political forum, Expected.

As a Parent to Child, or Adult-Teacher to Child-Student, Huge Problem.

Teachers, Coaches, School Councilors, Priests, Cops, Mayors... all have sensitive, responsible and potentially destructive roles. There is much less freedom of speech available to people who choose to work in such positions.

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