Some are still in the dark on Obama

This whole tread is so funny!
Trying to hold Obama's 3 yrs responsible for 30 yrs of failed conservative ideology is idiotic. 30 yrs of outsourcing, trickle-down, deregulation which led us on our current economic situation, allowing speculators to make huge profits from gas and blaming it on Obama, unfunded wars, deficits don't matter (remember?) and on and on. To say any president is responsible for the failure of the past 30 yrs is just ignorant and very Republicon. I remember when wing nuts said the right was the party of responsibility, remember? well take responsibility and admit you represent the very wealthy and are responsible for the ideology that got us into this mess.


It will take time to beat back the fascists and restore this country to greatness. Face it Dix, our govt is not here to make sure international corporations in China make a profit.

See, here's the thing... You spewed this exact same bullshit in 2008, and the nation responded by electing the man who promised to bring Hope and Change and do something to improve this dismal situation.... BUTT..... Things have gotten WORSE not BETTER! Virtually EVERY "problem" you nailed to Bush and Republicans, is WORSE under Obama! You name it -- it's WORSE!
 
See, here's the thing... You spewed this exact same bullshit in 2008, and the nation responded by electing the man who promised to bring Hope and Change and do something to improve this dismal situation.... BUTT..... Things have gotten WORSE not BETTER! Virtually EVERY "problem" you nailed to Bush and Republicans, is WORSE under Obama! You name it -- it's WORSE!

How would you know, being in a drug stupor, all this time?
 
It's cute to go w/ net jobs, but if you're going w/ that, whoever you spend days campaigning for - if they win - will not see a net gain in their admin, either. That's because we lost many millions of jobs after the crash.

But, the condition of gaining jobs - as in, the economy adding jobs instead of losing them - is an improving condition. It's pretty simple.

But there seems to be a flaw in your calculations.... if 300k more people filed jobless claims, how can you claim we created jobs?
 
No. I just understand what "gaining jobs" means in the common language.

I think you mean 'gained jobs' don't you.....I realize the change was subtle and you probably assumed no one would notice, but you were wrong.....I don't care how common your language is, and I certainly know how common your misrepresentations are, but no one believes that when you have less than you did when you started that you have gained anything.......I'm curious.....if you went on a diet because you weighed 200 lbs and after three years you weighed 210 would you brag about how much weight you lost?......
 
Well, in spite of Mr. Obama's (and your) best intentions and efforts, at least 300k more people are without insurance this month because they lost their jobs. The shrinking number of people who still have jobs with insurance, are watching their premiums rise 300 percent or more. The whole idea and concept has been a total and complete economic disaster and clusterfuck from Day 1.

Ever heard of COBRA Dixie?
 
I think you mean 'gained jobs' don't you.....I realize the change was subtle and you probably assumed no one would notice, but you were wrong.....I don't care how common your language is, and I certainly know how common your misrepresentations are, but no one believes that when you have less than you did when you started that you have gained anything.......I'm curious.....if you went on a diet because you weighed 200 lbs and after three years you weighed 210 would you brag about how much weight you lost?......

Good golly, but you're a braindead individual.

The economy was losing jobs; it's now gaining jobs. I hope that helped.
 
Good golly, but you're a braindead individual.

The economy was losing jobs; it's now gaining jobs. I hope that helped.
They dont care about that, they only care about how they can get Americans to belive President Obama is the devil.
 
Good golly, but you're a braindead individual.

The economy was losing jobs; it's now gaining jobs. I hope that helped.

and if Obama is extremely fortunate, there will be almost as many people working in this country as there were when he was elected.....which results in only one conclusion......we have not gained any jobs during his administration......we will be lucky to break even.....
 
I have been on an extremely successful diet since 1984.....on average my weight has been two lbs less every morning that it was the night before.....so far I have lost over 20,000 lbs.....
 
and if Obama is extremely fortunate, there will be almost as many people working in this country as there were when he was elected.....which results in only one conclusion......we have not gained any jobs during his administration......we will be lucky to break even.....

If the economy is adding jobs - are things improving, or are they getting worse?

It's a simple question. Try not to use a lot of words in your response.
 
and if Obama is extremely fortunate, there will be almost as many people working in this country as there were when he was elected.....which results in only one conclusion......we have not gained any jobs during his administration......we will be lucky to break even.....



If that is the case I will be very impressed. Jobs were being lost by the hour when he took the oath, to be even and on the up swing within four years, Im happy.
 
If the economy is adding jobs - are things improving, or are they getting worse?

It's a simple question. Try not to use a lot of words in your response.

Actually, it isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be. Simply 'adding jobs' doesn't mean things are improving on that front. Are we adding enough jobs to not only replace ones lost, but also keep up with new additions to the labor force? In that regard, things are getting worse. We are not adding enough to keep up with new entrants let alone replace jobs lost during the economic meltdown.

Increasing efficiency due largely to new tech is also a factor that has to be considered. More and more purchases are done each year via the internet. While this is a big plus for companies like UPS and Fed Ex, it is a damper overall on jobs. Automation in warehouses is also decreasing the work force needed. These are things a President has zero control over.

As stated many times in the past, if the President wanted to do something that actually helped the jobs market, it would have to be an initiative that centered around the infrastructure. A man to the moon initiative in transportation combined with funding projects on bridges, dams, levees, roads. That would help alleviate the pent up work force.
 
I'm amazed at how difficult it is to get conservatives to agree to the simple idea that adding jobs is better than losing them, and represents an improving condition.

I'm also surprised that Damo hasn't come along yet to claim that I'm saying the economy is "better than ever!"
 
I'm amazed at how difficult it is to get conservatives to agree to the simple idea that adding jobs is better than losing them, and represents an improving condition.

I'm also surprised that Damo hasn't come along yet to claim that I'm saying the economy is "better than ever!"

Is adding jobs better than losing them... yes.

Your problem is trying to say it represents an improving condition. That can be true or false depending on how many are being added relative to the new entrants being added. I am am amazed how difficult it is to get people like you to understand such a simple concept.
 
I'm amazed at how difficult it is to get conservatives to agree to the simple idea that adding jobs is better than losing them, and represents an improving condition.

I'm also surprised that Damo hasn't come along yet to claim that I'm saying the economy is "better than ever!"

{I think those are the kinds of conclusions you come to out thin air....}

Now really Onecell,......do you seriously believe anyone thinks adding jobs isn't better than losing them ?

Thats as stupid as claiming that some of us like dirty water or polluted air better than pure water and clean air.....(I realize pinheads actually do make those claims)

What pisses us off is Obama and the Democrats, denying any responsibility for the continuing malaise of the economy while claiming a major victory for gaining a meager few job additions after 3 1/4 years of owning the power in Washington.......he can't even get ONE vote from his own party on a budget.....so no budgets passed during his entire term, no clear direction on energy, etc.....
His only legacy will be an explosion in welfare, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and debt......and a major turn toward socialism ala Europe.

 
Actually, it isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be. Simply 'adding jobs' doesn't mean things are improving on that front. Are we adding enough jobs to not only replace ones lost, but also keep up with new additions to the labor force? In that regard, things are getting worse. We are not adding enough to keep up with new entrants let alone replace jobs lost during the economic meltdown.

Increasing efficiency due largely to new tech is also a factor that has to be considered. More and more purchases are done each year via the internet. While this is a big plus for companies like UPS and Fed Ex, it is a damper overall on jobs. Automation in warehouses is also decreasing the work force needed. These are things a President has zero control over.

As stated many times in the past, if the President wanted to do something that actually helped the jobs market, it would have to be an initiative that centered around the infrastructure. A man to the moon initiative in transportation combined with funding projects on bridges, dams, levees, roads. That would help alleviate the pent up work force.

Ughh! STOP IT! The answer is NOT MORE GOVERNMENT!!!!!

If you will recall, President Obama had the idea of funding bridges, levees and roads, long before you thought of it. After Congress forked over a trillion of our tax dollars, he was forced to admit "shovel ready jobs" didn't exist. Were you asleep during all that, or what?

As for technology, as I said before, we are ALWAYS going to have breakthroughs and advancements in technology, because we always have. Did we need some fucking government program because we stopped producing buggies and carriages and started producing automobiles? What about when we invented the assembly line? Did government have to swoop in and save us from modern technology? No, what happens is, entrepreneurs and capitalists find new ways to make a profit with the new technology, new industries open which never existed before, and with that, new jobs that never existed before. What happened to the people who made buggy whips when we started mass producing cars? Oh, an easy solution would have been to have a government-subsidized buggy whip industry... but did we do that? Nope... we allowed capitalism to happen, and eventually, people who once made buggy whips, learned how to work on an assembly line and make cars. Today, we don't have a problem with unemployed buggy whip makers, and the government never had to lift a finger, we solved the problem all on our own.
 
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